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 Teddy Eagle  29 Sep 19 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one. Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly. Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now. But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You dont know the alternative is the worst do you? You like lots believe what you see,read and hear. No-one knows. They have opinions. Right now neither your nor my opinion matters very much. Parliament's opinion is what matters most at the moment in our democracy. Our's matters when we choose the Parliament.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The discussion subject is about ALL MPs. The tactic of the government in seeking to shift the focus away from them onto others has clearly worked with you! Not everybody falls for that though. The plain fact is that what Johnson and his primary lieutenants say matters more than what any opposition politician says at the moment. No-one argues that everyone needs to be careful with language but Johnson most of all. If you cannot see why it's unfortunate that Johnson is PM then I am not going to be able to help you. Its because I care about the future for my children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren that I would have preferred we stay inside the EU. What concerns me now is that we protect and nourish our Parliamentary democracy and not allow it to become damaged through carelessness. I don't know how many times I have to say this but I have about as much time for Corbyn and left wing politics as I do for Johnson and right wing politics. Which is no time at all. I am a one nation Conservative.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Exactly why he needs to ignore the remainers, the country have listened long enough to them trying to betray brexit. He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy. That's the biggest problem.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 10.13pm |
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Democracy in action.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better. Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 19 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy. That's the biggest problem. But it's OK to ignore the referendum? You are deluded. On the bright side, we only have your repetitive tosh to endure and not that lefty loon 'Nick Gussett' who is up to his old tricks with a new name on another Palace site. The first Russian in space would be proud.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.28pm |
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It most certainly. Parliamentary democracy asserting it's supremacy over the executive.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It most certainly. Parliamentary democracy asserting it's supremacy over the executive. Well at least one person in the country is OK with it so it must be democratic.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But it's OK to ignore the referendum? You are deluded. On the bright side, we only have your repetitive tosh to endure and not that lefty loon 'Nick Gussett' who is up to his old tricks with a new name on another Palace site. The first Russian in space would be proud. Who is ignoring the referendum? Parliament as a whole is trying to interpret and then implement the referendum. Only the LibDems have spoken of offering to cancel completely but only if at a GE they achieve an outright victory. Not very likely is it? What you really mean is what YOU think is meant by the 52% TO 48% result 3 years ago, before all the various problems were identified, is being ignored. Not everyone agrees with you. Particularly the MPs.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 19 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who is ignoring the referendum? Parliament as a whole is trying to interpret and then implement the referendum. Only the LibDems have spoken of offering to cancel completely but only if at a GE they achieve an outright victory. Not very likely is it? What you really mean is what YOU think is meant by the 52% TO 48% result 3 years ago, before all the various problems were identified, is being ignored. Not everyone agrees with you. Particularly the MPs. It's because you keep saying nonsensical drivel like this that I ignore you 99% of the time.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit. Hats off. Your wind up credentials are now set in stone.
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