And let's not forget how the VW came to prominence in Germany.

Some hold up Germany as the saviour for Europe but Europe has always been a means to an end for Germany. That shouldn't be a surprise for anyone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2020 10.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No idea, or care

Point was specifically about one person, not a vehicle to segue or deflect the conversation into a pointless Tory v Labour borefest

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

We may disagree on some stuff, but you always present your arguments with reason at the centre.

That has value.

I'd say that where stereotypical left and right meet that there is always going to be friction and I'm fine with that. Political forums also have an element of steam about them and I personally don't think we should be too high minded over that.

I say let's have room for both....I obviously have enjoyed both modes down the years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2020 12.27am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Oh come on, the sheer hypocrisy of Abbott and the fact that her limited ability has been rewarded many times over what it deserved surely must be recognised.

Patel has ability and is making her way.

Plus....you have missed out the most cogent and relevant difference between the two of them.

Patel is far more bangable than Abbott...This point of difference cannot be overlooked when judging their suitability for office.

In fact if anyone out there still wants to bang Abbott, I seriously recommend that they seek help.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think you'd probably need a crowbar at this point.....So much effort for so little reward.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A report says a third of deaths and hospital admissions are from ethic groups. Labour wants an investigation into why so many from these communities. It may have more to do with people and there biology than where they are from. I do not wish this on anyone of any colour but can it really be questioned so early on the community people are from. Time and extensive lab testing going forwards about the bug and its effect on individuals will answer this. I'm not using colour for a subject but just what if this group is in more danger biologically. How do you square that circle without finger pointing and name calling. Can you really recommend non whites stay indoors for their own safety.