I am not telling anyone anything. I am expressing the view that the use of these words, by whoever uses them, is divisive and unhelpful. You, and they, are as free to disagree as I am to express that opinion.

I am though glad to hear that you agree that no-body is either black or white, as that is also my view. We are all just people whose skin colour ought to be an irrelevance.

Using skin colour to refer to ancestry is as wrong as any other reference. In my opinion of course. Not that really needs to be said to anyone other than a pendant.

Did I miss something? I thought you two weren’t talking

Must have been a lovers’ tiff.

But it is surely time we all looked for middle ground. The world needs us all pulling in the same direction more than ever.

I didnt think the Trump legal team would be presenting official evidence until 2 weeks time theyre merely presenting witness statements and avidavits or whatever they call them over there. I know that Sidney powell is heading it up she seems confident and one only has to look at her track record she is a very successful attorney i doubt she would risk her reputation if she didn't have a case she has a success rate of about 80 percent ive read on wiki which is ridiculous if true.

I really have no issue with you advancing your opinion on 'black' or 'white' culture. I agree with Teddy's responses to you and as I've stated previously I think culture is significantly less important than genes and are more semantics but hey it's fine.....All opinions are valid and worthy for discussion.

No problem.

Nor is it a problem with me as it has nothing at all to do with the point I have been making.

However, when you write the words, 'Minds need to be changed everywhere.' That for me doesn't tally with an innocent expression of an opinion but rather a call for indoctrination along your ideas......as that would need to happen for 'minds need to be changed everywhere'.

[b My opinion does not involve any indoctrination at all. We need to see minds changed through information, education and leadership so that people voluntarily reach a different conclusion.

If you are black and want to think in terms of 'black culture' bully for you. You can believe in pan African culture if you like.

You can but I wager that as time passes people don't.

This is fine for Asian and White versions as well. The accuracy of it isn't even that important....you don't get to decide someone's identity and how they express it....they do......Unless you're an authoritarian like the Chinese and decide to tell everyone how they need to think of themselves.

Much less apparent in Asia where people with similar skin colour, and sometimes identical racial origins, have distinctly different cultures and would never even think of describing themselves as anything other than, Indonesian, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Thai or Filipino just as examples.

Which is what you sound like.

Specsavers provide hearing services as well.

As for skin colour....I was stating a physical fact that no one's skin is actually either of these colours but I have zero problems with what words they use.

I'm white and proud of my ancestry and history. The fact that I'm not technically actually white is pedantry.

You can believe yourself to be whatever you like, and even "technically" contradict yourself, but doing so doesn't even begin to address the point I am making. All you are doing is confirming you are part of the problem that I see. Which is that a single "white", or a single "black", culture, group, attitude or whatever unifying term you choose, is a myth. To continue to refer to people in this way doesn't solve problems when it divides people unnecessarily. Getting rid of this choice of language won't impact your ability to be proud of your ancestry and history. It would only modify the language you use to describe it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2020 12.09am)

He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".

Court cases going about as well as expected.