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 mattwebb  Sutton 10 Jan 05 11.35am |
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Cheers Singapore Eagle, I am glad to see my true motives are being seen by some.
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 Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.39am |
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I think that it is wrong for Matt to be trying to convert anyone to his beliefs, if that is what he believes then he should be happy with that and get on with his life without trying to enforce it on others. This is one of the reasons i dislike Christianity so much, i just do not agree with trying to get people to convert, it should be up to individuals to choose their own way, but funily enough, it always seems to be the vulnerable people who end up being caught up in the conversion trap. Drug addicts, people close to death, people going through relationship break ups etc, young children. I just think its wrong
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Singapore Eagle  ....back in London now 10 Jan 05 11.42am |
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But Bean, that is what christians do! My sister is forever trying with me - and still hasn't given up! I agree that at times it is does seem a bit OTT, but in a message board environment it cannot really come over as a casual chat can it? Edited by Singapore Eagle (10 Jan 2005 11:42am)
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| rach_cpfc South Croydon 10 Jan 05 11.42am |
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What Matt is doing is sharing his beliefs, like you are. Does that mean you're trying to convert him too?
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| Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.43am |
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Quote mattwebb at 10 Jan 2005 11:33am
But what if I am right? What if I have a relationship with the creator of the universe. I have no need to worry, because I know everything is in his hands. I don't have to stress or worry, I don't need sleepless nights when money is tight, because I trust the Lord. I am not judging anyone, don't be so easily offended. I am just saying what I believe. I really believe that everyone has a hole, like a hunger for God, but they try to fill it with other things, like money, fame, sex, friends, drink, drugs and they are never truly satisfied.
You are blantantly judging me for my beliefs, and believing that your way of life is superior to mine
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| nooman 10 Jan 05 11.46am |
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Bean - the idea that you professed that religion attracts/preys on those in trouble is too narrow minded of you.
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| Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.47am |
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True Singapore Eagle but that doesnt mean i have to agree with it, and i look at all the trouble that the missionaries caused when they converted Africa, South America etc and its just not right (please lets not get into the missionaries tho!) Rach, im not trying to convert anyone, because i simply dont feel the need to, i am happy with what i believe and dont expect anyone to have to share the same opinioins as me
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| rach_cpfc South Croydon 10 Jan 05 11.49am |
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Quote Bean at 10 Jan 2005 11:43am
In my opinion this is a very very naive view to take, its saying i dont have to take any responsibility for my life because God will sort it, i dont have to take any responsibility for my actions because i can always go and get forgiveness and it will all be ok You are blantantly judging me for my beliefs, and believing that your way of life is superior to mine Not true, as a Christian you believe God values you, which is why you believe he’ll provide for you. As such, you also have to value your own life and work hard to do the best that you can. As for the forgiveness thing – well yes, it’s true, that’s what makes God so amazing – he’ll keep forgiving you no matter no many how times you stuff up (thankfully!) But I know of no Christians who would purposely abuse the loving forgiveness of God in the way you seem to think they would.
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| Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.50am |
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Quote nooman at 10 Jan 2005 11:46am
Bean - the idea that you professed that religion attracts/preys on those in trouble is too narrow minded of you. Why do you think so? i am talking from my own experience. The people that i have met in my life who have tured to Chritianity have all been going through some kind of crisis. I am yet to come accross someone who has been very happy i n their life and comfportable in their beliefs who has felt the need to convert
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| Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.51am |
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Quote rach_d_cpfc at 10 Jan 2005 11:49am
Quote Bean at 10 Jan 2005 11:43am
In my opinion this is a very very naive view to take, its saying i dont have to take any responsibility for my life because God will sort it, i dont have to take any responsibility for my actions because i can always go and get forgiveness and it will all be ok You are blantantly judging me for my beliefs, and believing that your way of life is superior to mine Not true, as a Christian you believe God values you, which is why you believe he’ll provide for you. As such, you also have to value your own life and work hard to do the best that you can. As for the forgiveness thing – well yes, it’s true, that’s what makes God so amazing – he’ll keep forgiving you no matter no many how times you stuff up (thankfully!) But I know of no Christians who would purposely abuse the loving forgiveness of God in the way you seem to think they would.
Edited by Bean (10 Jan 2005 11:51am)
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| mattwebb Sutton 10 Jan 05 11.51am |
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Bean I am not irresponsible, I am just trusting in the Lord. I DO NOT however, and don't see how I even suggested that I do, behave however ever I like and then seek forgiveness afterwards. I certainly do not take the Lord's grace and forgiveness in vain, it cost his life!!!! I do not take HIS sacrifice in vain!
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| Bean Ipswich 10 Jan 05 11.52am |
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Quote mattwebb at 10 Jan 2005 11:51am
Bean I am not irresponsible, I am just trusting in the Lord. I DO NOT however, and don't see how I even suggested that I do, behave however ever I like and then seek forgiveness afterwards. I certainly do not take the Lord's grace and forgiveness in vain, it cost his life!!!! I do not take HIS sacrifice in vain!
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