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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 24 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's certainly more broken than it was before spending C £400 bn. The fact that the NHS was already on the brink contributed to the decision. The point is not about any willingness to spend so much money. It was the absence of any viable alternative that would deliver a better outcome and definitively result in lower costs. Ultimately there was only one choice. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation in our cities or any other of a multitude of priorities.
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Teddy Eagle  08 Apr 24 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The fact that the NHS was already on the brink contributed to the decision. The point is not about any willingness to spend so much money. It was the absence of any viable alternative that would deliver a better outcome and definitively result in lower costs. Ultimately there was only one choice. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation in our cities or any other of a multitude of priorities. When Cornwall starts to see the same problems with gangs and knife and street crime you might understand a bit more.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 24 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
When Cornwall starts to see the same problems with gangs and knife and street crime you might understand a bit more. Unlikely, but irrelevant anyway. Those problems have no connection of any kind at all with the decision required when Covid first took hold.
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| Teddy Eagle 08 Apr 24 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Unlikely, but irrelevant anyway. Those problems have no connection of any kind at all with the decision required when Covid first took hold. How many more times? Hundreds of billions spent on the COVID response but whenever inner city problems are discussed with thousands of lives affected there's nothing meaningful available.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 24 8.23am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How many more times? Hundreds of billions spent on the COVID response but whenever inner city problems are discussed with thousands of lives affected there's nothing meaningful available. How many more times indeed! The fact that correlation is thought to exist doesn’t mean it does! The fact that inner city problems exist is acknowledged, not denied. What is denied is any possible linkage between an emergency which demanded instant action and longer term issues. You don’t have contingency funds available to cover the kind of emergency that Covid presented. You act, bite the bullet and count the costs later. Action on longer term problems is budgeted and funded. How effectively is then a matter of opinion. It could be argued that inner city problems have reached such a crisis point that an emergency situation exists which demands the same kind of response. What cannot be argued is that the money spent on Covid could have been diverted to deal with it.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 24 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How many more times indeed! The fact that correlation is thought to exist doesn’t mean it does! The fact that inner city problems exist is acknowledged, not denied. What is denied is any possible linkage between an emergency which demanded instant action and longer term issues. You don’t have contingency funds available to cover the kind of emergency that Covid presented. You act, bite the bullet and count the costs later. Action on longer term problems is budgeted and funded. How effectively is then a matter of opinion. It could be argued that inner city problems have reached such a crisis point that an emergency situation exists which demands the same kind of response. What cannot be argued is that the money spent on Covid could have been diverted to deal with it. Once more apparently.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 24 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Once more apparently. Yes it was, because if you face a potential doomsday you really don't have any other choice. If the choice is death or debt what would you choose? No politician is ever going to decide not to take avoiding action. A dictator might decide to risk sacrificing large sections of the population but it's not going to happen in a democracy.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 24 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes it was, because if you face a potential doomsday you really don't have any other choice. If the choice is death or debt what would you choose? No politician is ever going to decide not to take avoiding action. A dictator might decide to risk sacrificing large sections of the population but it's not going to happen in a democracy. It has happened and continues to happen.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 24 9.40pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It has happened and continues to happen.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Apr 24 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It has happened and continues to happen. I know, it’s awful and demands urgent action. It doesn’t though have any relationship to the need for a response to an emergency that threatened to potentially end the lives of huge numbers of us, well in excess of the numbers above, and decimate our healthcare services to an unimaginable degree, far worse than the mess we already see. We are going round in circles, so should perhaps leave it there.
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