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southnorwoodhill Flag 29 Dec 23 10.21am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

The problem as some have already said we have a very poor quality squad of players, in actual fact I would go as far as to say that we only have 6/7 players who you could say are EPL quality the rest are either unproven younger players or players who would struggle to make the grade in the championship. Poor Roy, yes he does look tied and would not you if you were 76 years old and had the responsibility on your shoulders of keeping a EPL team in the league on a shoestring budget. Roy was asked to come out of retirement because as hard as Parish tried he could not persuade a quality proven, ambitious younger manager to take the job based on the quality of players and transfer budget available (or not as the case maybe). Even dear old Roy was asking for 3-5 players in the twilight of the last window and we all know what he got. SP seems not to be on the best of terms with his fellow investors and I believe that Textor is estranged over the Lyon deal which Parish was not happy about. The other American are more interested in the real estate value (Selhurst Park) than they are about EPL football or the long term future of the team. Sadly, I do not have much confidence in the next window as it is unlikely anywhere near enough funds will be available to plug the holes in our first eleven let alone the bench. As others have already said, 11 years and the first team today is not much better (or maybe worse) than the one we came up with from the championship. The latter is now very much on our route map, thank you Mr.Parish!

Yes, definitely. I made a point in another thread that the first 11 has gradually been chipped away without adequate replacement, and thinking of the effect this has caused on the whole. The non replacement of Zaha for a decent left sided player being one of the most obvious examples, instead hoping that a midfielder or forward can convert to that position as required by square peg round hole Roy. It is no surprise that we find ourselves in this position.
Basically Parish has chanced it for another season thinking that Croydon Roy can save him again.
Not this time. Drastic remidial action is needed to halt the downward spiral. Parish might have to open his chequebook ha ha

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 29 Dec 23 10.46am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Yes, definitely. I made a point in another thread that the first 11 has gradually been chipped away without adequate replacement, and thinking of the effect this has caused on the whole. The non replacement of Zaha for a decent left sided player being one of the most obvious examples, instead hoping that a midfielder or forward can convert to that position as required by square peg round hole Roy. It is no surprise that we find ourselves in this position.
Basically Parish has chanced it for another season thinking that Croydon Roy can save him again.
Not this time. Drastic remedial action is needed to halt the downward spiral. Parish might have to open his chequebook ha ha

Definitely. Ayew can fill in that position but it is clear not his preferred or best position. He is now off to the African cup from early Jan for maybe 6 weeks - and this absence is clearly not a surprise as it's been known about for a couple of years.

Schlupp has never really played as left winger, more a wide left in a 442, which we don't currently play, and he has proved an inadequate replacement in that position whilst Olise was injured (again a situation we knew about since early June).

The inability to get someone in as an attacking left player is inexcusable. The guy from Leeds on loan at Bournemouth would have been an obvious low cost choice.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 23 10.56am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Definitely. Ayew can fill in that position but it is clear not his preferred or best position. He is now off to the African cup from early Jan for maybe 6 weeks - and this absence is clearly not a surprise as it's been known about for a couple of years.

Schlupp has never really played as left winger, more a wide left in a 442, which we don't currently play, and he has proved an inadequate replacement in that position whilst Olise was injured (again a situation we knew about since early June).

The inability to get someone in as an attacking left player is inexcusable. The guy from Leeds on loan at Bournemouth would have been an obvious low cost choice.

If you asked Dougie Freedman why we didn’t sign an attacking left sided player, he would probably tell you that we did !

 


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palace99 Flag New Mills 29 Dec 23 11.00am

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

No complaints about the result or penalty although I thought Eze was unlucky and the Chelsea player was clever in how he drew the foul. Chelsea created the better chances and should have won by more.

Plenty of honest endeavour but a chronic lack of quality aside from Olise. We really lack pace generally and also don't have the height or physicality in the side to make the most of set pieces or compete at business end of the game.

Agree with the comments about fresh legs and would have been inclined to gamble on Franca earlier rather than any of the other options who aren't up to it IMO.


Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (28 Dec 2023 2.08pm)

Agree - Eze didn't take him out, but he dangled a leg and the guy made sure he made the most of the contact. As he didn't touch the ball it has to be a penalty.

Was surprised Eze started. We were always going to have limited possession and he is not fully fit so i would have saved him for maybe 30 minutes at the end when the game opens up. His 1st half performance was poor. We definitely need him on Saturday.

In terms of pace, yes we are lacking in that centre mid position but i also feel it is partly how we use our full backs. Most teams have at least one attacking minded full back who can cause problems when they burst forward. Young Hinselwood did that role well the other night against us and repeated it against a much better team, Spurs, yesterday. Chelsea's RB, Gusto, was probably the best attacking player in the 1st half and he's not even a regular. Other teams such as Fulham have Robinson etc, and even Coufal at West Ham who is older and more defensive minded charged forward and supplied the cross for the goal against us a few weeks ago. We have a solid 433 with only the occasional brilliance by Eze or Olise to break the boredom. It makes it easy to play against us and mark those 2. We need players charging forward when we attack to create havoc. Yes it is higher risk, but we have a very fast and talent defended, Guehi, at the back who should be able to cover.

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 29 Dec 23 11.17am

Originally posted by NEILLO

If you asked Dougie Freedman why we didn’t sign an attacking left sided player, he would probably tell you that we did !

if you mean Franca, i think a 5 year old would have known that he was always going to be of limited value this season given his young age, his inexperience and the time needed to adjust to a new country and a physical league. He was also injured when we signed him.

Given that we lost Zaha and Olise had a medium term injury a short term replacement should have been top of the list.

 

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MabbsWasKing Flag 29 Dec 23 11.25am Send a Private Message to MabbsWasKing Add MabbsWasKing as a friend

I thought Eze and Lerma were awful. Gallagher monstered Eze in the first half….so much so that Roy swopped Eze and Lerma at half time to keep Gallagher away from him. As for Lerma three mistimed challenges earned him a booking, when he played a bit further forward he misplaced every pass and still kept mistiming challenges. The only reason he was on the pitch towards the end, I think, is that the ref felt sorry for him. He was clearly beating himself up as nothing would go right for him.
Not sure what was wrong with the pair of them lack of fitness after injury or just loss of confidence.
Richards did a good job in a position that is new to him.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 23 11.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Definitely. Ayew can fill in that position but it is clear not his preferred or best position. He is now off to the African cup from early Jan for maybe 6 weeks - and this absence is clearly not a surprise as it's been known about for a couple of years.

Schlupp has never really played as left winger, more a wide left in a 442, which we don't currently play, and he has proved an inadequate replacement in that position whilst Olise was injured (again a situation we knew about since early June).

The inability to get someone in as an attacking left player is inexcusable. The guy from Leeds on loan at Bournemouth would have been an obvious low cost choice.

You are referring to Luis Sinisterra.There is an'Option to buy' for Bournemouth.
I was informed yesterday that he scored 23 goals and registered 14 assists for Feyenoord in his last season at the club.Leeds signed him for about £20 Mill.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Dec 23 11.37am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

If you asked Dougie Freedman why we didn’t sign an attacking left sided player, he would probably tell you that we did !

Has he not gone to Man Utd yet?

 


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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 29 Dec 23 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Agree - Eze didn't take him out, but he dangled a leg and the guy made sure he made the most of the contact. As he didn't touch the ball it has to be a penalty.

Was surprised Eze started. We were always going to have limited possession and he is not fully fit so i would have saved him for maybe 30 minutes at the end when the game opens up. His 1st half performance was poor. We definitely need him on Saturday.

In terms of pace, yes we are lacking in that centre mid position but i also feel it is partly how we use our full backs. Most teams have at least one attacking minded full back who can cause problems when they burst forward. Young Hinselwood did that role well the other night against us and repeated it against a much better team, Spurs, yesterday. Chelsea's RB, Gusto, was probably the best attacking player in the 1st half and he's not even a regular. Other teams such as Fulham have Robinson etc, and even Coufal at West Ham who is older and more defensive minded charged forward and supplied the cross for the goal against us a few weeks ago. We have a solid 433 with only the occasional brilliance by Eze or Olise to break the boredom. It makes it easy to play against us and mark those 2. We need players charging forward when we attack to create havoc. Yes it is higher risk, but we have a very fast and talent defended, Guehi, at the back who should be able to cover.

I agree the two full back positions were the first that should have been looked at with regard to balancing the number of defensive players in the team / squad and lack of attacking quality.

Both required upgrade as opposed to competition in the summer and it was hugely missed opportunity to build.

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 29 Dec 23 1.12pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I agree the two full back positions were the first that should have been looked at with regard to balancing the number of defensive players in the team / squad and lack of attacking quality.

Both required upgrade as opposed to competition in the summer and it was hugely missed opportunity to build.

We lost our best player in the summer, who anyway was over the hill due to reckless over use. We were very lucky to keep Olise. So we badly needed a left winger and two more full backs. Instead we get a free midfielder an injured junior and an injured centre back. Oh, and a very expensive goalkeeper. It all beggars belief.


Edited by dreamwaverider (29 Dec 2023 1.13pm)

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 23 1.12pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

if you mean Franca, i think a 5 year old would have known that he was always going to be of limited value this season given his young age, his inexperience and the time needed to adjust to a new country and a physical league. He was also injured when we signed him.

Given that we lost Zaha and Olise had a medium term injury a short term replacement should have been top of the list.

Totally agree

 


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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 29 Dec 23 1.15pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by MabbsWasKing

I thought Eze and Lerma were awful. Gallagher monstered Eze in the first half….so much so that Roy swopped Eze and Lerma at half time to keep Gallagher away from him. As for Lerma three mistimed challenges earned him a booking, when he played a bit further forward he misplaced every pass and still kept mistiming challenges. The only reason he was on the pitch towards the end, I think, is that the ref felt sorry for him. He was clearly beating himself up as nothing would go right for him.
Not sure what was wrong with the pair of them lack of fitness after injury or just loss of confidence.
Richards did a good job in a position that is new to him.

agree re Eze, but I didn't notice Lerma having a bad game???

 

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