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TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Aug 23 2.53pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

We know exactly what will happen if Mitchell gets injured, ward will go to lb and Clyne will go to rb, so we will have 2 poor full backs and then as cover, players who will be playing out of position. Its so plainly obvious where we need to strengthen. If we want to talk about other clubs. Everton have a problem scoring goals, oh look they've just spent 25 mill on a striker, we have a problem scoring goals, we've just spent 20 on a goalkeeper. Its baffling

It's not baffling at all if you are less selective in your summary of events.

I wouldn't suggest that Ward or Clyne playing LB is ideal, or that we wouldn't benefit from an upgrade in the RB position, but quite obviously, that's not all there is to it.

As a matter of indisputable fact, we have a limited budget whether we like it or not. We surely could have bought a new pair of fullbacks at some point since PVA left, but that would likely mean not signing one or two of the players we did sign. It's not like we sat on the money and decided not to spend it. Again, please do take the time to read the accounts - we have spent every penny we can afford, plus some that we can't, on players.

Once we understand that, it is just a matter of where you think the priorities rest at any one time. I can't see that a new RB would be more important than replacing Zaha, or signing Olise or Eze, or Docoure, or Andersen or Guehi. Edouard and Mateta have been unconvincing, but if the club had focused on a new RB and a reserve LB instead of strikers then we would all be moaning, perhaps fairly so.

A new RB and reserve LB would be good, but they are not going to improve us significantly, if at all. The other positions have been far more critical.

As most have said, if the window closes and we have spent £15m - £20m on Henderson just so Johnstone can be No2 then I will be as baffled as you, but as most have also said, it seems unlikely that we would be bringing Henderson in unless we had to for some reason that is not yet clear.

Finally, to repeat the point (and without me trying to be a tit about it), nobody outside the top six has two good players for each position (i.e. two separate XIs that can both do well in the league). The budgets just don't stretch that far. I don't know why you think it should be different at the palace.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Aug 2023 2.54pm)

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 31 Aug 23 3.19pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

It's not baffling at all if you are less selective in your summary of events.

I wouldn't suggest that Ward or Clyne playing LB is ideal, or that we wouldn't benefit from an upgrade in the RB position, but quite obviously, that's not all there is to it.

As a matter of indisputable fact, we have a limited budget whether we like it or not. We surely could have bought a new pair of fullbacks at some point since PVA left, but that would likely mean not signing one or two of the players we did sign. It's not like we sat on the money and decided not to spend it. Again, please do take the time to read the accounts - we have spent every penny we can afford, plus some that we can't, on players.

Once we understand that, it is just a matter of where you think the priorities rest at any one time. I can't see that a new RB would be more important than replacing Zaha, or signing Olise or Eze, or Docoure, or Andersen or Guehi. Edouard and Mateta have been unconvincing, but if the club had focused on a new RB and a reserve LB instead of strikers then we would all be moaning, perhaps fairly so.

A new RB and reserve LB would be good, but they are not going to improve us significantly, if at all. The other positions have been far more critical.

As most have said, if the window closes and we have spent £15m - £20m on Henderson just so Johnstone can be No2 then I will be as baffled as you, but as most have also said, it seems unlikely that we would be bringing Henderson in unless we had to for some reason that is not yet clear.

Finally, to repeat the point (and without me trying to be a tit about it), nobody outside the top six has two good players for each position (i.e. two separate XIs that can both do well in the league). The budgets just don't stretch that far. I don't know why you think it should be different at the palace.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Aug 2023 2.54pm)

Just to repeat the point, I dont expect 4 good full backs, just 1 will do.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Aug 23 3.34pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Just to repeat the point, I dont expect 4 good full backs, just 1 will do.

f*** me, you're right.

It is plainly impossible for us to have achieved solid mid-table positions with Ward and Clyne playing. Any team picking them will have an awful defensive record, and spend all season fighting relegation, probably unsuccessfully.

Oh no, hang on, that's not what happened in the real world, is it? In fact, we have done just fine with them both, and didn't do any better when we had a young, dynamic fullback who Man Utd bought for £45m, did we?

You're right that Mitchell is bang average, the very least a club with our epic budget can expect. He is lucky to get a game.

Oh no, hang on, he got called up for England, didn't he? Our defensive record and league positions have been no different with him playing every week than they were when we had PVA who cost us £14m, are they? So he can't be all that bad can he? In fact, he has saved us from spending that sort of money in the market, which is the point of the academy.

You're right that we should have two PL standard left-backs at the club, it's shocking that we don't.

Oh no, hang on, nobody outside the top six has two PL standard players for each position, do they? You can literally just look at their squads and see that. If you can be arsed.

Finally, you're right, we should have bought new fullbacks by now no matter how much we spent on other players because there is no limit on what we can spend, we don't have to limit our spending to what we earn, or even keep an eye on the debt level, we can just use magic beans. There is no need for any compromise, and nobody should read the club accounts because it will only upset them.

Oh no, hang on.....

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Aug 23 3.43pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

You're overcomplicating to make excuses. Is it acceptable for a Premier league squad to have one left back for the last 2 seasons ?


Yes, if like us you have several 1st team squad players who can fill in if needed as have Riedewald, Clyne and Ward in that period and Schlupp, of course, was a LB in the Leicester squad that won the PL if we're really desperate.

I wonder just how many PL clubs have PL quality back up for EVERY position.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Aug 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm not overcomplicating anything, you are oversimplifying things rather than addressing the evidence.

How many PL clubs outside of the top six have two good players for each position?


Sorry TBTP. I should have read the rest of the thread before adding my own contribution.

 

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fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 31 Aug 23 4.01pm Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

I think the main frustration is that the spine of this team is excellent. Johnstone (possible Henderson), Andersen, Guehi, Lerma, Doucoure, Eze and Olise are as good as anyone outside the big 6/7.

You just feel with a few more resources we really could push on with another 3 or so good players to challenging for Europe providing everything went well.

However, it looks like we don't have the finances to do that. It's the safe thing to not risk everything. To try and stay in 12th-15th place with just enough.

Eventually we will end up selling our best players as they go to play for a bigger more ambitious team. The question will be whether we can purchase players who will be as good? At some stage it will go wrong and we will go down.

When we are relegated, I wonder if we will look back at say 'Well that's (say) 14 years in the top flight and we never finished above 10th and one FA Cup final defeat. Will we have wished we had tried to push on from where we are now? I don't know the answer. I do know that I feel gutted that after we sold Ian Wright and that side was gradually picked apart.

However, if our total spend ends up being £40 million on a goalkeeper and a untested 19 year Brazilian, you do wonder why that wasn't spent on a left winger, striker or full back. I can see why so many people's glasses are half empty.

 

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EagleAlan78 Flag Southampton 31 Aug 23 4.55pm Send a Private Message to EagleAlan78 Add EagleAlan78 as a friend

Originally posted by iheartcpfc

Yes, I do feel entitled to not have to watch Schlupp on the wing in 2023 and a RB who hasn't got their free bus pass. Sorry if it offends.

You’re not alowed an opinion on here against parish. To many of his boyfriends will call you a bed wetter. Remeber he saved us and his our saviour. Mid table is fun. Not competing is very important to a lot of our deluded fan base. Especially on here. Hopefully the deluded clowns who enjoy the same pathetic PR stunts that absolute weasel of a chairman pulls every season wake up one day. Will probably be to late though

 

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Croydon-Trucker Flag 31 Aug 23 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by EagleAlan78

You’re not alowed an opinion on here against parish. To many of his boyfriends will call you a bed wetter. Remeber he saved us and his our saviour. Mid table is fun. Not competing is very important to a lot of our deluded fan base. Especially on here. Hopefully the deluded clowns who enjoy the same pathetic PR stunts that absolute weasel of a chairman pulls every season wake up one day. Will probably be to late though

Alan , If you dont mind me asking . How old are you ??

 

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est1905 Flag 31 Aug 23 5.09pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Give over, for a Premier league club we basically have our pick over every single footballer in the world, with the exception of the big European clubs and now the Saudi clubs, our wage bill is 10 times that of 99% of clubs in world football. You've got the big clubs, saudi and then the rest of the Premier league who have first pick on every professional player in the world. If our scouting system can't manage to identify a couple of players who would strengthen our squad out of that pool of players then there's something seriously wrong.

OK, to start with sou sounded like a naive and frustrated fan that plays too much football manager so I put a couple of realistic points. Now you are just talking like a spoilt fan that is throwing a tantrum because you cant spend the club's money and bring in the super stars that you want. I'm not a massive fan of Parish. He's done some good things but he has made some mistakes too but if I had to choose between his business model and yours?
Hmmm, its a tough one

 

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est1905 Flag 31 Aug 23 5.10pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Alan , If you dont mind me asking . How old are you ??

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 31 Aug 23 5.21pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

OK, to start with sou sounded like a naive and frustrated fan that plays too much football manager so I put a couple of realistic points. Now you are just talking like a spoilt fan that is throwing a tantrum because you cant spend the club's money and bring in the super stars that you want. I'm not a massive fan of Parish. He's done some good things but he has made some mistakes too but if I had to choose between his business model and yours?
Hmmm, its a tough one

What about between his business model and Brighton or Brentfords ? Plus it's getting boring using extremes to try and make your point valid, who's asking for any superstar they want ? Do you think its good enough for a Premier league squad to have 1 lb for the last 2 years ?

 

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EagleAlan78 Flag Southampton 31 Aug 23 5.34pm Send a Private Message to EagleAlan78 Add EagleAlan78 as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Alan , If you dont mind me asking . How old are you ??

Old enough to of been going for the past 3 decades and fed up with the club I support falling behind every year of teams around them. Even in the championship we were the same we were lucky we went up with that squad that we had. Luckily we had freedman and his great in ability to work with nothing and even he got pi***d off with parish and buggered off. I suppose you’re gonna throw in don’t u remeber he saved us cr** and that I’m self entitle etc. Just look at every team that has come up smaller than us.If you can’t see that a lot of the clubs have been in Europe and done things other than barely make any league progress than you’re deluded.

Edited by EagleAlan78 (31 Aug 2023 5.37pm)

 

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