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 Elpis  In a pub 23 Apr 24 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Willo
The "Clear and obvious' does not apply to offside decisions as they are deemed factual based on the lines that are drawn to determine whether a player is offside or onside. The trouble is that its not factual when the ball is played .They look at it and decide ,its an opinion . Coventry for example were robbed .The freeze frame and the lines were drawn too early . The ball is shown at the players feet but he is not playing the ball forward . From the film he flicks the ball forward maybe a second later but thats enough time for AWB to play the forward well onside . Its basically frame manipulation ,no slow mo either (That they show in the PL ) which also covers up a poor decision
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| CrazyBadger Ware 23 Apr 24 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by Elpis
The trouble is that its not factual when the ball is played .They look at it and decide ,its an opinion . Coventry for example were robbed .The freeze frame and the lines were drawn too early . The ball is shown at the players feet but he is not playing the ball forward . From the film he flicks the ball forward maybe a second later but thats enough time for AWB to play the forward well onside . Its basically frame manipulation ,no slow mo either (That they show in the PL ) which also covers up a poor decision Absolutely. There should be a 'buffer' in which case the 'offside line' should be (i.e.) 5 times thicker than it is. If the attacking player is beyond this thicker line, then he is definately offside. Benefits of this system is that the benefit of the doubt.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 23 Apr 24 12.02pm |
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Also, Every player has a GPS signal on their back as standard nowadays. Why cannot we utilise this for Offside. we can then semi automate it, the only variable for this being a VAR official selecting when the ball was actually kicked. (buffer system still applicable)
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Apr 24 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They'll never win any argument based on subjectivity. Accepting referees can make mistakes, or be unsighted, is one thing but VAR should have at least recommended the ref reviewed the incidents. Prior to football in England(92-93) all officials had to declare 'their' club, so they would not be able to officiate any conflict of interest. It happened to me, I never was allowed to be a match official either at SP or away. We were also never allowed to officiate any team that had a bearing or direct competition with Palace usually after Easter. No-one minded.
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Teddy Eagle  23 Apr 24 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Prior to football in England(92-93) all officials had to declare 'their' club, so they would not be able to officiate any conflict of interest. It happened to me, I never was allowed to be a match official either at SP or away. We were also never allowed to officiate any team that had a bearing or direct competition with Palace usually after Easter. No-one minded. I think they still do declare their allegiance.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Apr 24 5.15pm |
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My question is have forest had a VAR go with them and get points from it.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
My question is have forest had a VAR go with them and get points from it. I cannot provide an answer however 6 players have been sent off against Nottm Forest this season, 2 more than any other club.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 24 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
A reference to a single game in the illustrious career of Mark Clattenburg who of course refereed in the Champions League final and the Euro 2016 final. He has admitted he got it wrong. Easy after the event. If you are truly a Palace fan you would admit his display in 2016 was appalling
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 24 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I can only re-iterate that "Clear and obvious" introduces subjectivity. Edited by Willo (23 Apr 2024 11.00am) Subjectivity ! You mean what suits the PL. I cannot believe you will never criticise referees, on this subject you are a troll. How is the relegation doommongering going?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
He has admitted he got it wrong. Easy after the event. If you are truly a Palace fan you would admit his display in 2016 was appalling Nobody could possibly question by devotion to the club, having being an ardent supporter since the 60s and following the team around the country in all weathers. Apropos the FA Cup Final, my views were articulated on HOL and I have no desire to rake over old coals.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Subjectivity ! You mean what suits the PL. I cannot believe you will never criticise referees, on this subject you are a troll. How is the relegation doommongering going? With respect this is hogwash and phooey.
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| Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 24 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect this is hogwash and phooey. I suspect there is more sympathy for referees than comes across on here. We all know that many players try to lie, cheat, dive and otherwise con them, and assorted pundits don't help by congratulating them on their "professionalism" when they get away with it. The sums of money at stake in the modern game mean they will be more and more in the spotlight. Yes, they are human and will make mistakes but VAR was supposed to help them not create more controversies.
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