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georgenorman 21 Feb 22 9.15pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Fascinated by Putin's comprehensive address to his people. You get a totally different perspective of the whole thing. Why don't you do us all a favour and go and live there, after all, you hate this country.
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georgenorman

21 Feb 22 9.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Fascinated by Putin's comprehensive address to his people.

You get a totally different perspective of the whole thing.

Why don't you do us all a favour and go and live there, after all, you hate this country.

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Wilesy01 Bristol 21 Feb 22 11.16pm
[Link] An interesting read that makes a lot of good points on this conflict.
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Bristol 21 Feb 22 11.16pm

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An interesting read that makes a lot of good points on this conflict.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 22 Feb 22 12.47am
Turns out I was a little over 24 hours late with my prediction. Russian troops have entered the Donestk & Luhansk regions of Ukraine, literally any retaliation from the Ukraine will result in a full scale invasion I Expect Dnipro to declare independence shortly. Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Feb 2022 12.59am) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Ouzo Dan

Behind you 22 Feb 22 12.47am

Turns out I was a little over 24 hours late with my prediction.

Russian troops have entered the Donestk & Luhansk regions of Ukraine, literally any retaliation from the Ukraine will result in a full scale invasion

I Expect Dnipro to declare independence shortly.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Feb 2022 12.59am)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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silvertop Portishead 22 Feb 22 10.30am
Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..? You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh. Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not.
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Portishead 22 Feb 22 10.30am

Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..?

You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh.

Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Feb 22 10.39am
Originally posted by silvertop Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..? You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh. Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not. He must have been well assured that NATO would do nothing, the Russian military is not exactly the Red Army these days and would not be equipped to take on the entire West. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Feb 22 10.39am

Originally posted by silvertop

Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..?

You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh.

Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not.

He must have been well assured that NATO would do nothing, the Russian military is not exactly the Red Army these days and would not be equipped to take on the entire West.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 22 10.43am
Originally posted by silvertop Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..? You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh. Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not. He calls the British, 'little brother', in regards to the Americans. I would say your summary is accurate, though I wouldn't call myself a Russo-phile personally. Russia is part of the European family and some sort of agreement over Eastern Europe/Russian influence situation should have been reached a long time ago....violence should be off the table. This is a conflict that shouldn't be happening and a failure of diplomacy since the Berlin wall came down and Putin's ascent to power. My loyalty is ultimately to the British people and by extension to its state....though I am a fierce critic of its elites' choices and betrayals. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2022 10.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Feb 22 10.43am

Originally posted by silvertop

Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..?

You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh.

Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not.

He calls the British, 'little brother', in regards to the Americans.

I would say your summary is accurate, though I wouldn't call myself a Russo-phile personally.

Russia is part of the European family and some sort of agreement over Eastern Europe/Russian influence situation should have been reached a long time ago....violence should be off the table.

This is a conflict that shouldn't be happening and a failure of diplomacy since the Berlin wall came down and Putin's ascent to power.

My loyalty is ultimately to the British people and by extension to its state....though I am a fierce critic of its elites' choices and betrayals.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2022 10.44am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Eaglecoops CR3 22 Feb 22 10.46am
Originally posted by georgenorman Why don't you do us all a favour and go and live there, after all, you hate this country. Nah, I get the feeling all the lefties on here are champagne socialists. The idea is more appetising than the reality.
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CR3 22 Feb 22 10.46am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Why don't you do us all a favour and go and live there, after all, you hate this country.

Nah, I get the feeling all the lefties on here are champagne socialists. The idea is more appetising than the reality.

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 22 10.58am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Nah, I get the feeling all the lefties on here are champagne socialists. The idea is more appetising than the reality. Yeah, champagne socialists or Blairites are the worst.....Anything left wing until it makes an impact on their bank accounts. Not Steely though, who seems to be more of as a western system rejectionist...Lefty anarchist I suppose. Silver and Danns are sensible representations. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2022 10.59am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

22 Feb 22 10.58am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Nah, I get the feeling all the lefties on here are champagne socialists. The idea is more appetising than the reality.

Yeah, champagne socialists or Blairites are the worst.....Anything left wing until it makes an impact on their bank accounts.

Not Steely though, who seems to be more of as a western system rejectionist...Lefty anarchist I suppose.

Silver and Danns are sensible representations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2022 10.59am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 22 11.20am
Rattled west. Sanctions are only self-harming, Russia has a stable economy despite them and is self-sufficient with vast reserves of energy and food production. The bad old days of shortages and poor distribution are a memory. Sanctions are like bombing, they unite people against you. Increased prices for europe's hard-pressed citizens are likely to be the main effect.
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Croydon 22 Feb 22 11.20am

Rattled west.

Sanctions are only self-harming, Russia has a stable economy despite them and is self-sufficient with vast reserves of energy and food production.

The bad old days of shortages and poor distribution are a memory.

Sanctions are like bombing, they unite people against you.

Increased prices for europe's hard-pressed citizens are likely to be the main effect.

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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 22 11.30am
Originally posted by silvertop Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..? You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh. Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not. If you want someone to be your friend, you won't get it by imposing sanctions on them, will you. Or disrespecting them and blatantly provoking them.
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Croydon 22 Feb 22 11.30am

Originally posted by silvertop

Genuinely interested to see what would the Russo-philes on here would say if there were some Nato-Russian conflab somewhere..?

You may love his autocratic nationalist stance, and his apparent strength and defiance, but he is not our friend. And that is not some Western media fed tosh.

Even Hitler had a respect, fondness even, for the British. This man does not.

If you want someone to be your friend, you won't get it by imposing sanctions on them, will you.

Or disrespecting them and blatantly provoking them.

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georgenorman 22 Feb 22 11.44am
Originally posted by steeleye20 If you want someone to be your friend, you won't get it by imposing sanctions on them, will you. Or disrespecting them and blatantly provoking them. I take it you don't want to be our friends then?
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georgenorman

22 Feb 22 11.44am

Originally posted by steeleye20

If you want someone to be your friend, you won't get it by imposing sanctions on them, will you.

Or disrespecting them and blatantly provoking them.

I take it you don't want to be our friends then?

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