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 Teddy Eagle  16 Nov 21 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Ballance thought it was ‘banter’ and Rafiq didn’t. That’s what matters, not the intent. That makes it very difficult to establish a level of acceptability. Beyond the obvious how are you expected to know what offends another person? If a comedian performs to 500 people and one takes offence should he be censured?
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DanH  SW2 16 Nov 21 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That makes it very difficult to establish a level of acceptability. Beyond the obvious how are you expected to know what offends another person? If a comedian performs to 500 people and one takes offence should he be censured? If he calls one of the a P*** or another racist slur then, yes, of course.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 10.16pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
If he calls one of the a P*** or another racist slur then, yes, of course. You say it was a racist slur, and while I don't support this kind of language according to Ballance this was while they were friends with insults traded both ways. Also Ballance says he was invited to his wedding after this. You don't seem to care about any other narrative.
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
If he calls one of the a P*** or another racist slur then, yes, of course. That’s a given. It’s more about the subjectivity of offence in the general course of conversation. If intent is unimportant then anyone can be cancelled at any time because one person claims to have been offended.
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| DanH SW2 16 Nov 21 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You say it was a racist slur, and while I don't support this kind of language according to Ballance this was while they were friends with insults traded both ways. Also Ballance says he was invited to his wedding after this. You don't seem to care about any other narrative. Have you seen his testimony today? Why are you focusing on that part alone and glibly dismissing the rest? Also ‘you say it was a racist slur’. It is a commonly accepted racial slur and has been for decades. It’s not me saying it is. You should be more careful about the language you use. It gives a lot a way about without you realising.
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| DanH SW2 16 Nov 21 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That’s a given. It’s more about the subjectivity of offence in the general course of conversation. If intent is unimportant then anyone can be cancelled at any time because one person claims to have been offended. I feel like I’m repeating myself and exhausted saying it but have you seen his testimony today? It went far beyond that.
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I feel like I’m repeating myself and exhausted saying it but have you seen his testimony today? It went far beyond that. And outside today’s proceedings? In everyday life should intent not matter?
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| Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Have you seen his testimony today? Why are you focusing on that part alone and glibly dismissing the rest? Also ‘you say it was a racist slur’. It is a commonly accepted racial slur and has been for decades. It’s not me saying it is. You should be more careful about the language you use. It gives a lot a way about without you realising. I've heard stuff said between friends that can only be considered insults out of context. While I don't support it I know that it would be dishonest...if for example I later framed those situations as 'insults' as it literally is bad taste banter. No I haven't watched the testimony. It's one side of the story so how do I know it's true? I haven't read anymore on it from the summary I read a few days back. While I have no doubt that I wouldn't support some of what goes on in dressing rooms or in pubs.....and in my twenties I use to run my old man's pub so I have some idea....that doesn't mean that I would support destroying people's livings over high jinks. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2021 10.31pm)
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Goal Machine  The Cronx 16 Nov 21 11.24pm |
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In my circle of mates, we take the piss out of each other all the time. I consider it a sign of effection. However, I wouldn’t dream of speaking to a stranger in the same way.. From what I’m reading it sounds the same as what Ballance was doing to his mate, Rafiq. Context is everything here. The fact Ballance was invited to his wedding after this happened and him returning to the club doesn’t stack up for me. I grew up playing in all kinds of sports teams and there’s always someone who is the butt of the jokes (often me), and different characters/groups in the changing rooms. It’s just seems like normal behaviour. The stuff which goes on at university initiations is far worse than what Rafiq is describing, but people are getting lynched for non events from 10 years ago. This Rafiq story is been headline news for about 2 weeks. The world has gone totally bonkers!
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 16 Nov 21 11.26pm |
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There's a lot in the evidence being heard at the committee. Ballance comes out very badly. Also senior people at Yorkshire.
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Eagle Black.  South Croydon 17 Nov 21 12.00am |
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I thought it was disgusting Martin Moxen shouting at Azeem Rafiq the day arfter Azeem had to deal with he's still born son. Hang your head in shame not just Yorkshire county cricket but English cricket in general.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Nov 21 4.14am |
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Originally posted by Eagle Black.
I thought it was disgusting Martin Moxen shouting at Azeem Rafiq the day arfter Azeem had to deal with he's still born son. Hang your head in shame not just Yorkshire county cricket but English cricket in general. Was that racist as well then as that's what this whole thing is about. Oh and the money, always follow the money. I've no doubt there will be some handed over and I've no doubt it will all be donated to charity, publicly. Severe TIC.
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