As are you each time you get into a car.

So were you everytime you had sex during the Aids pandemic.

It's OK, I have stopped doing these during the pandemic too

It would be better if you could also refrain from the hyperbolic and emotive accusations as well.

No, people exercising personal liberty is not killing others. Indeed, I could accuse you of supporting the increase of incidents of suicide, cancer and heart attack death, third world deaths and domestic abuse by supporting lockdowns.

But I'm not into trite language.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2021 4.43pm)

It would be better if you could also refrain from the hyperbolic and emotive accusations as well.

No, people exercising personal liberty is not killing others. Indeed, I could accuse you of supporting the increase of incidents of suicide, cancer and heart and other related deaths, third world deaths and domestic abuse by supporting lockdowns.

But I'm not into trite language.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2021 4.44pm)

I have some of these same concerns, and beyond a point countries just aren't going to keep their borders closed, which keeps us plugged into whatever is happening with covid-19 globally. New variations and so on.

While in a dream scenario a vaccine would be winging its way to everyone on the planet at the same time, we just know that isn't going to happen. As such these new variants will keep springing up. That doesn't necessarily matter as such as we have a yearly updated flu vaccine type approach (and indeed coronaviruses mutate much slower than the flu), but with so many people having it due to the nature of a pandemic it can still throw us curveballs.

Long term I think the best we can hope for really is a yearly updated vaccine that will mostly work like a charm, but that occasionally new variants will spring up inbetween being vaccinated that will result in mini or moderate versions of what we've been dealing with. That will give a very tough time to whoever is especially susceptible (though the vaccine will probably still offer 'some' protection) but 'hopefully' the virus will weaken over time.

Sorry I drifted off into a general covid comment really haha!

I agree. I just get frustrated when the media are saying the borders are closed, they are not!! Gatwick had flights from Belarus, Madrid ( with passengers transmitting from South America) today Fact. Had we completely closed the borders in the Spring, we may not have these variants. We bowed to EasyJet, Ryan Air, Virgin Atlantic etc to keep flying. I know how this would effect people’s livelihoods as several my neighbours have lost their jobs but you cannot have it all ways. We are accused of HR abuse for the way we deal with clandestines but should we put them
before the health of our own population? You decide

Yes, all along the way there has been a stark difference between what we're told and the reality.

In the first week of 2021, during my emergency dental appointment my dentist took great pride in telling me that he'd spent xmas to ny in Dubai. From what I could gather at the time he needed a test to leave but not upon return. Not much comfort for me as I'm sitting there while he's reeling off all of the busy bars and restaurants they went to!

But yes as you say it's a tricky one. One of those situations where whatever you do and whatever approach taken it seems like a crap outside between it is when compared with what came before.