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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are very welcome to challenge my views on immigration and multiculturalism. My views have become how they are based upon statistics. Go for it. I'd like to challenge your viewpoints on these topics but I fear you are too far gone and brainwashed. So it's very odd that you come to a Crystal Palace politics forum to discuss your failed ideas in these areas. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.07pm) My "failed ideas". You don't even know what my ideas are, other than not yours. I've seen you debate with others and I have absolutely no desire to engage you as a result. I'm sure you'll claim that as a win, as you do literally every conversation, regardless of how it's gone, hence why there is zero point in doing so.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are very welcome to challenge my views on immigration and multiculturalism. My views have become how they are based upon statistics. Go for it.

I'd like to challenge your viewpoints on these topics but I fear you are too far gone and brainwashed.

So it's very odd that you come to a Crystal Palace politics forum to discuss your failed ideas in these areas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.07pm)

My "failed ideas". You don't even know what my ideas are, other than not yours.

I've seen you debate with others and I have absolutely no desire to engage you as a result. I'm sure you'll claim that as a win, as you do literally every conversation, regardless of how it's gone, hence why there is zero point in doing so.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 19 3.17pm
Originally posted by LeeG I don't go on the BBS because it's an ugly, awkward website to use. That's not where I heard the comments, of which there have been several. One was even overheard in Selhurst. Not a good look for Hol. Yeah, echo chambers are such a problem. People who hear just what they want to hear are such an issue aren't they. It's a shame you don't like the bbs as it seems that your views might just be appreciated more there......though this so called 'cesspit' of right wing views also happens to contain left wing ones too. But lets not let reality slow you on your campaign for moral authority on a politics forum. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

21 Feb 19 3.17pm

Originally posted by LeeG

I don't go on the BBS because it's an ugly, awkward website to use. That's not where I heard the comments, of which there have been several. One was even overheard in Selhurst. Not a good look for Hol.

Yeah, echo chambers are such a problem.

People who hear just what they want to hear are such an issue aren't they.

It's a shame you don't like the bbs as it seems that your views might just be appreciated more there......though this so called 'cesspit' of right wing views also happens to contain left wing ones too.

But lets not let reality slow you on your campaign for moral authority on a politics forum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.43pm)

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 19 3.24pm
Originally posted by LeeG My "failed ideas". You don't even know what my ideas are, other than not yours. Well, while I might not wish to blow my own trumpet darling....I think you might have just hit upon the reality right there. Originally posted by LeeG I've seen you debate with others and I have absolutely no desire to engage you as a result. I'm sure you'll claim that as a win, as you do literally every conversation, regardless of how it's gone, hence why there is zero point in doing so. An open invitation declined. Oh I get it, you know that nothing you would be able to say couldn't be countered and the realities that my opinion aren't 'extreme'....to anyone other than the far left.....revealed to those reading. I don't hold 'extreme' views and I don't know anyone on the forum who does. But we are certainly lied about by people who wish to push their own ideologies.....but far worse than that....Those who want to close down the ideologies of others. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

21 Feb 19 3.24pm

Originally posted by LeeG

My "failed ideas". You don't even know what my ideas are, other than not yours.

Well, while I might not wish to blow my own trumpet darling....I think you might have just hit upon the reality right there.

Originally posted by LeeG

An open invitation declined.

Oh I get it, you know that nothing you would be able to say couldn't be countered and the realities that my opinion aren't 'extreme'....to anyone other than the far left.....revealed to those reading.

I don't hold 'extreme' views and I don't know anyone on the forum who does. But we are certainly lied about by people who wish to push their own ideologies.....but far worse than that....Those who want to close down the ideologies of others.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, echo chambers are such a problem. People who hear just what then want to hear are such an issue aren't they. It's a shame you don't like the bbs as it seems that your views might just be appreciated more there......though this so called 'cesspit' of right wing views also happens to contain left wing ones too. But lets not let reality slow you on your campaign for moral authority on a politics forum. I never said that there aren’t people here who hold different views. I simply said that a vocal minority present the false impression that we’re all Tommy Robinson acolytes. A wide variety of views is great. Endless posts about how awful immigration, multiculturalism and the EU are become dull, repetitive, and frankly weird. I worry about people who can’t seem to think about anything else. Life is too short mate. Let’s enjoy Palace being in the best stage of our lives and not worry so much about foreign people. Especially on a football forum.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, echo chambers are such a problem.

People who hear just what then want to hear are such an issue aren't they.

But lets not let reality slow you on your campaign for moral authority on a politics forum.

I never said that there aren’t people here who hold different views. I simply said that a vocal minority present the false impression that we’re all Tommy Robinson acolytes.

A wide variety of views is great. Endless posts about how awful immigration, multiculturalism and the EU are become dull, repetitive, and frankly weird. I worry about people who can’t seem to think about anything else. Life is too short mate. Let’s enjoy Palace being in the best stage of our lives and not worry so much about foreign people. Especially on a football forum.

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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays An open invitation declined. Oh I get it, you know that nothing you would be able to say couldn't be countered and the realities that my opinion aren't 'extreme'....to anyone other than the far left.....revealed to those reading. I don't hold 'extreme' views and I don't know anyone on the forum who does. But we are certainly lied about by people who wish to push their own ideologies.....but far worse than that....Those who want to close down the ideologies of others. Your inability to see where your view lie on the spectrum is a concern.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

An open invitation declined.

Your inability to see where your view lie on the spectrum is a concern.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Feb 19 3.30pm
Originally posted by LeeG I used to frequent this website all of the time, albeit as a lurker. I'd read posts about transfer rumours, team line ups, general Palace news and always dipped into the general other chat. Now I don't bother. It's basically become an forum where a select few members spout often ridiculous, exaggerated, false or downright offensive opinions and gang up on anybody who disagrees. I've actually seen the website discussed elsewhere as a cesspit of hard right views. Palace is a multicultural, welcoming club, with people from all backgrounds but you sure as hell wouldn't know it from this forum. I rarely come here now and can't stand that the topics here are a reflection of the club that I know. I'm sure I'll get the expected attacks on this from the usual suspects. None of what you think is happening on HOL is making your experience of your 95% use of HOL any different. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Feb 2019 3.41pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Feb 19 3.30pm

Originally posted by LeeG

I used to frequent this website all of the time, albeit as a lurker. I'd read posts about transfer rumours, team line ups, general Palace news and always dipped into the general other chat.

Now I don't bother. It's basically become an forum where a select few members spout often ridiculous, exaggerated, false or downright offensive opinions and gang up on anybody who disagrees. I've actually seen the website discussed elsewhere as a cesspit of hard right views.

Palace is a multicultural, welcoming club, with people from all backgrounds but you sure as hell wouldn't know it from this forum. I rarely come here now and can't stand that the topics here are a reflection of the club that I know.

I'm sure I'll get the expected attacks on this from the usual suspects.

None of what you think is happening on HOL is making your experience of your 95% use of HOL any different.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Feb 2019 3.41pm)

COYP

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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays An open invitation declined. Oh I get it, you know that nothing you would be able to say couldn't be countered and the realities that my opinion aren't 'extreme'....to anyone other than the far left.....revealed to those reading. I don't hold 'extreme' views and I don't know anyone on the forum who does. But we are certainly lied about by people who wish to push their own ideologies.....but far worse than that....Those who want to close down the ideologies of others. You’ve also proved why it’s pointless debating with you. You’ve declared yourself able to counter anything I say, before I say it. I’m not here to debate you, I’m here to add weight to a post that was bemoaning what this forum has become. I agree, and it’s sad that people know this website as somewhere that Palace fans spread views that are more at home in the comments section of a Britain First post.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

An open invitation declined.

You’ve also proved why it’s pointless debating with you. You’ve declared yourself able to counter anything I say, before I say it.

I’m not here to debate you, I’m here to add weight to a post that was bemoaning what this forum has become. I agree, and it’s sad that people know this website as somewhere that Palace fans spread views that are more at home in the comments section of a Britain First post.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Feb 19 3.33pm
Originally posted by LeeG Oh the irony! Why on earth are you using a Crystal Palace fan forum to endlessly post your hardline political views? Surely there are better places for that? I used to come here for Palace talk and would happily chat with people whom I disagreed with on other topics. But all I ever see is the same old tired cliches, broken arguments and abuse about the EU, Muslims, Tommy Robinson, race, etc etc. It’s so predictable I can even guess the topics certain posters will start threads on before visiting the site, based on what’s in the news. You can’t use Palace talk because of general talk? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Feb 19 3.33pm

Originally posted by LeeG

Oh the irony! Why on earth are you using a Crystal Palace fan forum to endlessly post your hardline political views? Surely there are better places for that?

I used to come here for Palace talk and would happily chat with people whom I disagreed with on other topics. But all I ever see is the same old tired cliches, broken arguments and abuse about the EU, Muslims, Tommy Robinson, race, etc etc. It’s so predictable I can even guess the topics certain posters will start threads on before visiting the site, based on what’s in the news.

You can’t use Palace talk because of general talk?

COYP

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by LeeG I never said that there aren’t people here who hold different views. I simply said that a vocal minority present the false impression that we’re all Tommy Robinson acolytes. ? This is a very one eyed view of what goes on in Hol.....So you're saying that a minority of people who support Tommy Robinson creates the impression that the site supports Tommy Robinson. Do the posts in support of Corbyn create the impression that the site is full of Corbyn acolytes? Originally posted by LeeG A wide variety of views is great. Endless posts about how awful immigration, multiculturalism and the EU are become dull, repetitive, and frankly weird. I worry about people who can’t seem to think about anything else. Life is too short mate. Let’s enjoy Palace being in the best stage of our lives and not worry so much about foreign people. Especially on a football forum. Thanks for your concern but really I'm ok thanks. I even teach people about computers including many foreigners in my time. In some ways it appears it's you who has problems with certain types of diversity. This is the football club I've supported since I was a child. I don't need any lectures from you about how I should enjoy it. Ta very much. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

21 Feb 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by LeeG

I never said that there aren’t people here who hold different views. I simply said that a vocal minority present the false impression that we’re all Tommy Robinson acolytes.

This is a very one eyed view of what goes on in Hol.....So you're saying that a minority of people who support Tommy Robinson creates the impression that the site supports Tommy Robinson.

Do the posts in support of Corbyn create the impression that the site is full of Corbyn acolytes?

Originally posted by LeeG

Thanks for your concern but really I'm ok thanks.

I even teach people about computers including many foreigners in my time. In some ways it appears it's you who has problems with certain types of diversity.

This is the football club I've supported since I was a child. I don't need any lectures from you about how I should enjoy it.

Ta very much.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2019 3.44pm)

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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.40pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You can’t use Palace talk because of general talk? I can, and I still do. But it's depressing seeing how regularly there's a "Foreigns bad, English good" style post riding high in the popular threads. As a result, I've started to come here less frequently.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.40pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You can’t use Palace talk because of general talk?

I can, and I still do. But it's depressing seeing how regularly there's a "Foreigns bad, English good" style post riding high in the popular threads. As a result, I've started to come here less frequently.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 19 3.41pm
Originally posted by LeeG Your inability to see where your view lie on the spectrum is a concern. Your inability to see where your views lay on a spectrum is a concern. Who are you, the 'thought police'? Condescending, self righteous rubbish. I gave you an invitation and you backed out. That says it all. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

21 Feb 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by LeeG

Your inability to see where your view lie on the spectrum is a concern.

Your inability to see where your views lay on a spectrum is a concern.

Who are you, the 'thought police'?

Condescending, self righteous rubbish.

I gave you an invitation and you backed out.

That says it all.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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LeeG London 21 Feb 19 3.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your inability to see where your views lay on a spectrum is a concern. Who are you, the 'thought police'? Condescending, self righteous rubbish. I gave you an invitation and you backed out. That says it all. You've ignored my reasoning, true to form.
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LeeG

London 21 Feb 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your inability to see where your views lay on a spectrum is a concern.

Who are you, the 'thought police'?

Condescending, self righteous rubbish.

I gave you an invitation and you backed out.

That says it all.

You've ignored my reasoning, true to form.

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