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Andy_G Wimbledon 19 Sep 17 12.07pm | |
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I thought it was a decent interview. You have to give SP credit for doing it, he could hide and never say anything like Ashley but doesn't himself out to be shot at. He sounded a bit defensive and annoyed at times but that understandable and more of a problem if he didn't care. I didn't understand the bit about him and the Americans putting the money in for transfers? Doesn't that come out of the club's TV money? All in all SP is a damn good chairman. The last 2 years have seen some less than brilliant decisions and hiring De Boer was a 'caught in the bright lights' moment. We are now paying for that until January so it's grin and bare it time.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 19 Sep 17 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Hambo
Season after season? Like 2010-2011, 2011-2012, 2012-2013 etc etc? Might be worth another look. Been a tricky couple of years but we have...wait for this...NEVER IN OUR ENTIRE HISTORY SUSTAINED TOP LEVEL STATUS THIS LONG. So aside from whether it's Parish in charge or not, what does that tell you about what it's like for our club to remain at the top level? Why does defining something as a mistake mean that an alternative would definitely achieve a better result? Maybe all the available choices are mistakes? Maybe the actual choices you are calling mistakes actually end up giving us the best possible outcome? What if the best possible outcome is still not "good enough" for some people? It's so odd to see what is thankfully a minority so certain that their alternative opinion (not that it's always offered for scruitny) would achieve better results. When you consider relegation will cost those in charge north of £80million, a large amount of the rubbish being thrown about is beyond nonsensical. I'm not sure what I think about some aspects of what has been going on, I don't think it's helpful to put each other in groups able label each other "lovers" or "haters of anything. You end up having to sound most of a debate defending an assumed point of view that you never had in the first place. Hi Hambo, I don't consider myself to be either ' pro ' or ' anti ' Parish....I like / understand / agree with some things he does and don't with others. In my opinion he's not had a great last couple of years with some of the decisions he has made. Actually it's almost since the Americans came on board although I'm not putting that forward as a potential reason. While I have to say that I was dubious about FDB's appointment, the events of the last few weeks have been totally unexpected and unprecedented. Hence I suspect, the high running of emotions both from Steve himself and the supporters. I do think that he's barking up the wrong tree with the Charlton-Curbishley reference he made. The majority of our support are grounded enough to have pretty realistic expectations....we're not looking to '' go to the next level '' as those deluded Clowns put it , but we would like to preserve our Premiership status. And that is unexpectedly very much at threat and it's not even October yet ! And going into the season with such a badly balanced squad is not the preparation befitting a club that is entering it's 5th consecutive season in the PL. Anyway, we are where we are. Let's hope that Parish and Hodgson together can get us back on track and that Parish has the opportunity to take a long, dispassionate look back at the end of the season with our current status intact. Up The Palace !
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TJ Croydon 19 Sep 17 12.17pm | |
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Genuinely out of every decision that has been made in his 7 year tenure, do the good ones outweigh the bad? Also how many of the good ones, such as Pulis and Allardyce, were no brainers?
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chateauferret 19 Sep 17 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by BigNasty12
Enough of this delusional ranting. You just had to look at the players I named to see that he was handling them all wrong. If he'd been given the players you mention he'd have pardewed them as well - and quickly, by the looks of things.
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chateauferret 19 Sep 17 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by TJ
Genuinely out of every decision that has been made in his 7 year tenure, do the good ones outweigh the bad? Also how many of the good ones, such as Pulis and Allardyce, were no brainers? It isn't so much the decisions to appoint them - as you say, no brainers - as actually getting your man once you've made that decision. I think the Board has been pretty good at digging us out of the s*** so far but also not bad at getting us into it in the first place.
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dg1937 19 Sep 17 12.39pm | |
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My tuppence worth. I think SP has done a great job for Palace over the years but he has made mistakes, quite a lot of them. He says that, rather than focus on the negative stuff we should accept where we are and pull together for a better future. I accept that up to a point, there is far too much negative and ill-informed rubbish on here and elsewhere. But if, every time you make a mistake, you say 'I made a mistake, now lets move on' then I'm not sure you're actually learning from your mistake. I get the impression SP fancies himself as someone who can cut a deal, just look at how the original takeover went right up to the wire, and quite enjoys high stakes negotiating. Sometimes that has worked (the takeover) but it's pretty clear that in the last transfer window his luck ran out. He left it too late to get in a second striker and an extra (hopefully 1st choice) goalkeeper. That was a major screw up and my worry is whether he has really learned a lesson from that. I guess we won't know the answer to that until January. Appointing FDB was clearly a mistake but all this talk of Silva looks pretty unrealistic to me. It seems highly likely that the Watford deal was sewn up before Sam resigned. I can't recall what thread it was on but Laddo had a pretty good go at setting out a plausible sequence of events. SP clearly wasn't able to spell out all the goings on in the period that ended up with FDB being appointed and I honestly wouldn't have expected him to. As far as the interview itself was concerned and the criticism that has been leveled at Hambo and others, I'm really not sure what more could have been expected. I thought a decent job was done of putting difficult questions and extracting answers. Clearly if you push too hard and antagonise SP then he won't come on again. Well done to HOL for the interview, well done to SP for agreeing to be interviewed (name me one other chairman that would), SP 'must try harder' as my school reports used to say, but now we move on. Edited by dg1937 (19 Sep 2017 12.41pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Sep 17 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hambo
Season after season? Like 2010-2011, 2011-2012, 2012-2013 etc etc? Might be worth another look. Been a tricky couple of years but we have...wait for this...NEVER IN OUR ENTIRE HISTORY SUSTAINED TOP LEVEL STATUS THIS LONG. Why does defining something as a mistake mean that an alternative would definitely achieve a better result? Maybe all the available choices are mistakes? Maybe the actual choices you are calling mistakes actually end up giving us the best possible outcome? What if the best possible outcome is still not "good enough" for some people? It's so odd to see what is thankfully a minority so certain that their alternative opinion (not that it's always offered for scruitny) would achieve better results When you consider relegation will cost those in charge north of £80million, a large amount of the rubbish being thrown about is beyond nonsensical. I'm not sure what I think about some aspects of what has been going on, I don't think it's helpful to put each other in groups able label each other "lovers" or "haters of anything. You end up having to sound most of a debate defending an assumed point of view that you never had in the first place. We won't be here much longer with these errors since extending Pardew's con tract, that's the issue here. In any organisation that's what would be in serious discussion, not how wonderful it was prior to the start of these repeated c0ck ups. Those who look backwards don't go foreward with the same repeated errors. Sorry but the others, well Silva and Dyche, were clearly better options and would've delivered better results. Again, like with Pardew, Parish took leave of his senses. Frank charm? Star struck? Who knows, but he went against his main prerequisite of prem experience, and not only that but ''wound the clock' forward after staying it needed 'rewinding' 6 months before. This time Jordan was right, and I'm sorry but parish was epically wrong. I remember those on here claiming how Silva wasn't fit for it because of CPFC 4-0 Hull and his face and body language that day where in reality he had worked a miracle to get them there with the worst squad in the league. It was about 3 injuries and a big defensive error that helped tip the scales that morning. And we needed to be able to break teams down at home. Recently a pro Frank poster tried justifying Frank because his 3 was actually a 5. Yep very likely to break teams down with our supposed 'wing backs' and a budget that's no more than most of the league. What has Silva got in his armoury? Up with the best in Europe at home over 4 seasons. So no better than Frank then? Then there's Dyche. Continuity right in front of his eyes. But no, the big name it had to be, completely ignoring all of the logic and sensible thinking intended from the outset because of his playing career and 4 titles McLaren managed to win as well. 'Trying something different' was the message. Yep, different in that it was just as or more risky than Pardew's transition. To add I think the Zaha ego massaging was either badly timed, should've been delayed, or just agree the package without the holiday and I think Parish will probably admit to himself he had 4 too many a holiday this summer when he could've been face to face with a manager who'd only worked in football where most transfer work is done by the back room staff. There's been a lot of infighting between first team players over the approach and handling of the first team, and although you could question their attitude in not just obeying and getting on with it, I cannot question their because it so painful and frustrating watching this unfold in front of our eyes, and most of it avoidable. I mean, come on, def mid issues in Jan 2015 wasn't it? 1 lb in September 2016 and the Flamini result at def mid. Again, def mid. Then we buy 2 lbs for £25 mil where we could've got by with buying a better one scouted and much cheaper. Wind on and in addition to Frank it's 'crisp packet' hands as he's known on hol radio and 1 striker. Yes, 1 striker in the top league in the world. Hambo, you're good at defending Parish, but not that good. And it's all well and good SP defending this with 'correcting it' but I'm afraid a lot of this can't be corrected because of rules. Benteke breaks himself next week and that's it, finito. It's been said many times that these things will relegate us so it's not as if it's a case of just forget the last 24 months and remember the previous 60 or so. Good luck Roy.
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Part Time James 19 Sep 17 12.51pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
It isn't so much the decisions to appoint them - as you say, no brainers - as actually getting your man once you've made that decision. I think the Board has been pretty good at digging us out of the s*** so far but also not bad at getting us into it in the first place. Sounds like a description of Mile Jedinak and everyone loved him.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Sep 17 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by TJ
Genuinely out of every decision that has been made in his 7 year tenure, do the good ones outweigh the bad? Also how many of the good ones, such as Pulis and Allardyce, were no brainers? Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew itching to get away from confrontations on his front lawn were no brainiers. Pulis he stalled on because I think he might've doubted we could do it. I do see that tbf. Pardew was excellent. Just the delayed sacking wasn't. Allardyce, although the right call, we arguably shouldn't have been in the position of needing. Therein lies the issue. Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Sep 2017 1.25pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Sep 17 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Enough of this delusional ranting. You just had to look at the players I named to see that he was handling them all wrong. If he'd been given the players you mention he'd have pardewed them as well - and quickly, by the looks of things. They were all arguing over it and I'm not talking about subs or squad players v regulars either. Never going to work after that reaction or before that reaction come to that.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Sep 17 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
It isn't so much the decisions to appoint them - as you say, no brainers - as actually getting your man once you've made that decision. I think the Board has been pretty good at digging us out of the s*** so far but also not bad at getting us into it in the first place. In a nutshell.
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Lyons550 Shirley 19 Sep 17 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I still haven't got around to listening to the podcast but it's highly unlikely that he draws such a large salary just to put it back in again as he would immediately lose 45% of his £692,000 salary to income tax.
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