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 Mapletree  Croydon 02 Sep 17 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by Den1923
I think the record says it all, the last four and a bit seasons have hardly covered us in glory more managers than most if not all in PL, poor results at home, always in or around the drop zone, club not attractive to the best PL players, emphasis on ground improvements before we have the team results that would support it, more players coming in with sick notes in their pockets, not a bad performance for some and not good enough for others, you have to set your own standards! 'Twas ever thus. You want to be Palace you learn to live for the moment.
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Flash  Lampeter 02 Sep 17 11.50pm |
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Originally posted by Dangermouse
Managers that don't work out are his fault. No problem with that. Now tell me who are the ones that didn't work out? Ollie got us up, then quit when he couldn't handle it. Pulis walked out. Pardew worked for a while then went tits up, so Parish at fault, no problem. Sam retired, totally unexpectedly. FdB we don't know yet. Our home form has been crap since we came back up and bar a handful of games we've played the same soak it up counter attack style regardless of manager. Well said dangermouse. Imho too many willing to slag off the incumbents without thinking of the alternative future. Wolves, Birmingham, Sheffield Utd, Sheffield Weds, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton, Bradford, Oldham, Norwich, Ipswich, Blackpool etc etc.
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| rikz Croydon 03 Sep 17 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Den1923
you really have a problem understanding all this no one was talking about Sakho contract we are talking about the smaller contracts for fringe players who no longer feature in your plans. you negotiate come to an agreement and then release them to seek paid positions elsewhere, the cost is a one off write down in that years accounts and can be offset against any corporation tax you have to pay. No one is talking about open cheque books thats your understanding or lack of it in the commercial world. There are other costs you save as well such as the cost of a car, healthcare, national insurance, pension contributions, housing cost etc etc.. clearly it has to be a win win for everyone! No I understand it quite clearly which is why I used a fringe player, sako not sakho. He's on a contract of rumoured 50k a week, like I've said to buy a player out you need to come to an agreement first, do you really think a football player will agree to be brought out at a price that saves the club money and sees him worse off ? No, they will sit on their contract untill they get a better offer from another club which won't happen with players like sako, Lee, mutch. So tell me how you get rid of player that refuses to be brought out of his contract, you can't, there's nothing you can do apart from let him sit and take the money like adebayor at Tottenham.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 17 2.01pm |
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Rikz is right about being *bought* out of contract, or not. Happens quite a bit. But we have 3 bought close together by the same manager who did all his shopping from a panini album.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 03 Sep 17 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Rikz is right about being *bought* out of contract, or not. Happens quite a bit. But we have 3 bought close together by the same manager who did all his shopping from a panini album. Yeah would agree, the last two transfer windows it appears the club have avoided mistakes of the past. As much as we all want a back up striker, I'd actually rather we take our chances as we are than sign someone under whelming who's then on the books for 3-4 years. Edited by Goldfiinger (03 Sep 2017 2.15pm)
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| rikz Croydon 03 Sep 17 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Rikz is right about being *bought* out of contract, or not. Happens quite a bit. But we have 3 bought close together by the same manager who did all his shopping from a panini album. Of course when a player can find a club and earn as much if not more including his pay off. Players like sako ain't gonna find a club offering anywhere near the money he's on here and any deal he would accept would make no sense by the club. Said it before Rudi thanks for the grammer check but it's a palace forum not English school, when someone tries to pick you up for spelling it just shows they have nothing valid to counter your argument.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 17 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
Of course when a player can find a club and earn as much if not more including his pay off. Players like sako ain't gonna find a club offering anywhere near the money he's on here and any deal he would accept would make no sense by the club. Said it before Rudi thanks for the grammer check but it's a palace forum not English school, when someone tries to pick you up for spelling it just shows they have nothing valid to counter your argument. I wasn't countering your argument. I was agreeing with you. I thought that was pretty obvious. I'm doing you a favour. How else are you going to know its bought and not brought? Or are you happy to say tge incorrect word for the next 50 years?
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| rikz Croydon 03 Sep 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I wasn't countering your argument. I was agreeing with you. I thought that was pretty obvious. I'm doing you a favour. How else are you going to know its bought and not brought? Or are you happy to say tge incorrect word for the next 50 years? So did I untill the happens quite a bit but fair enough, my apologies. back to the original poster, I'm not sure what our wage budget is but we must have a wage bill now of about 85 million a year, how much more do you think the club can afford, probably about another 5 million on top at a push. Fans need to realise we've pretty much hit breaking point now.
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| Dan89 Se25 03 Sep 17 8.40pm |
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Parish is the common denominator here. Every other manager choice was pick for him barring 2 he had to make in Burley and FDB Let's remember parish took 6 weeks to make this appointment. He hardly rushed into the decision. Parish has been lucky imo.
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| Nobbybm Dartford 03 Sep 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Dan89
Parish is the common denominator here. Every other manager choice was pick for him barring 2 he had to make in Burley and FDB Let's remember parish took 6 weeks to make this appointment. He hardly rushed into the decision. Parish has been lucky imo. You speak as though SP's the sole decision maker despite the fact that there's been involvement from officials from within the club and David & Josh were involved in the last two appointments. Yes, they may take notice of his views but the final decision isn't made by him alone. For all you, or anyone else, knows FdB could actually be the best manager this club has ever had - without time we'll never know but sadly time seems to be the one thing you don't give anyone in the EPL anymore. The overriding fact is, until we change our ways we'll remain a plucky little club fighting to stay up every year until we finally succumb to relegation.
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| Dan89 Se25 03 Sep 17 9.09pm |
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Originally posted by Nobbybm
You speak as though SP's the sole decision maker despite the fact that there's been involvement from officials from within the club and David & Josh were involved in the last two appointments. Yes, they may take notice of his views but the final decision isn't made by him alone. For all you, or anyone else, knows FdB could actually be the best manager this club has ever had - without time we'll never know but sadly time seems to be the one thing you don't give anyone in the EPL anymore. The overriding fact is, until we change our ways we'll remain a plucky little club fighting to stay up every year until we finally succumb to relegation. You maybe right in the last paragraph about fighting to stay up, the plan was to a small and gradual change under FDB. This clearly hasn't happened but what frustrates him is we tried an so called expansive style under pardew with basically the same players. It didn't work, therefore it's a strange appointment. Given the budget.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 03 Sep 17 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by Dan89
You maybe right in the last paragraph about fighting to stay up, the plan was to a small and gradual change under FDB. This clearly hasn't happened but what frustrates him is we tried an so called expansive style under pardew with basically the same players. It didn't work, therefore it's a strange appointment. Given the budget. Which is why it was meant to be a slow progressive change. It isn't and we're all angry about that. Including Parish!
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