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hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Apr 17 12.55pm
Originally posted by npn Genuinely no idea who to vote for. Tories, I'm afraid (and I have voted for them many times in the past), just seem to be getting nastier. Labour are leaderless and clueless. LibDems are lead by a 'liberal' who doesn't like the gays, and seem a little rudderless. UKIP are done. Greens I could be persuaded but will have to look at their policies in detail first. All slightly irrelevant as the Tories have a 23,000 majority in my seat and will be going nowhere, but I'd like to show willing. Their basic stance is that we should all live like we used to in the Stone Age. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 20 Apr 17 12.55pm

Originally posted by npn

Genuinely no idea who to vote for. Tories, I'm afraid (and I have voted for them many times in the past), just seem to be getting nastier. Labour are leaderless and clueless. LibDems are lead by a 'liberal' who doesn't like the gays, and seem a little rudderless. UKIP are done. Greens I could be persuaded but will have to look at their policies in detail first.

All slightly irrelevant as the Tories have a 23,000 majority in my seat and will be going nowhere, but I'd like to show willing.

Their basic stance is that we should all live like we used to in the Stone Age.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 20 Apr 17 1.08pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle It's not really the point. It's who decides the immigration numbers - Westminster or Brussels. If the general public feel it's too high, then they can vote out a government. With the EU, nothing can be done with free movement. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Apr 2017 10.16am) Exactly - that is surely the whole point of leaving the EU and what most out voters expected and wanted.
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Banstead Surrey 20 Apr 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It's not really the point. It's who decides the immigration numbers - Westminster or Brussels. If the general public feel it's too high, then they can vote out a government. With the EU, nothing can be done with free movement.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Apr 2017 10.16am)

Exactly - that is surely the whole point of leaving the EU and what most out voters expected and wanted.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 20 Apr 17 1.11pm
Originally posted by rob1969 Exactly - that is surely the whole point of leaving the EU and what most out voters expected and wanted. Genuine - not sarcastic - question......really, is this true? I thought most out voters wanted immigration to stop or (at the very least) reduce to a trickle. How happy will they be once the Brexited UK government decides that it still wants hundreds of thousands of cheap human resources a year? Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 20 Apr 17 1.11pm

Originally posted by rob1969

Exactly - that is surely the whole point of leaving the EU and what most out voters expected and wanted.

Genuine - not sarcastic - question......really, is this true?

I thought most out voters wanted immigration to stop or (at the very least) reduce to a trickle. How happy will they be once the Brexited UK government decides that it still wants hundreds of thousands of cheap human resources a year?

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Nest 20 Apr 17 1.18pm
19 hospitals including five major acute hospitals to be closed, 24 A&E units marked for closure 3.7 million children living in poverty over 20,000 fewer police officers, Violent crime up 22% in the 12 months to September 2016, 40% increase in reported hate crimes 910,000 UK workers on zero-hours contracts Growth in UK living standards worst in 60 years The number of people sleeping rough in England a 133% increase since 2010 over 4000 people Tory Manifesto promised no rail fare hike for passengers but this January our rail fares climbed another 2.3%. Now up 27% overall 1 in 5 adults have had mental health problems because of their housing pressures Britain's housing crisis is at its worst for 20 years Schools Crisis in England Prisons crisis flat lining wages Over 500,000 people using food banks This is tory britain today, this is Reality
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20 Apr 17 1.18pm

19 hospitals including five major acute hospitals to be closed, 24 A&E units marked for closure
3.7 million children living in poverty
over 20,000 fewer police officers, Violent crime up 22% in the 12 months to September 2016, 40% increase in reported hate crimes
910,000 UK workers on zero-hours contracts
Growth in UK living standards worst in 60 years
The number of people sleeping rough in England a 133% increase since 2010 over 4000 people
Tory Manifesto promised no rail fare hike for passengers but this January our rail fares climbed another 2.3%. Now up 27% overall
1 in 5 adults have had mental health problems because of their housing pressures
Britain's housing crisis is at its worst for 20 years
Schools Crisis in England
Prisons crisis
flat lining wages
Over 500,000 people using food banks

This is tory britain today, this is Reality

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 17 1.22pm
Originally posted by Nest 19 hospitals including five major acute hospitals to be closed, 24 A&E units marked for closure 3.7 million children living in poverty over 20,000 fewer police officers, Violent crime up 22% in the 12 months to September 2016, 40% increase in reported hate crimes 910,000 UK workers on zero-hours contracts Growth in UK living standards worst in 60 years The number of people sleeping rough in England a 133% increase since 2010 over 4000 people Tory Manifesto promised no rail fare hike for passengers but this January our rail fares climbed another 2.3%. Now up 27% overall 1 in 5 adults have had mental health problems because of their housing pressures Britain's housing crisis is at its worst for 20 years Schools Crisis in England Prisons crisis flat lining wages Over 500,000 people using food banks This is tory britain today, this is Reality Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected. And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls. What could it be all about? Aliens?
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20 Apr 17 1.22pm

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Originally posted by Nest

This is tory britain today, this is Reality

Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected.
And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls.

What could it be all about? Aliens?

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by serial thriller But don't you consider him as - like Milliband - a version of the noblesse oblige who really have nothing to offer to society anymore? I mean, this is a man right from the heart of the French establishment - he went to their equivalent of Eton, before working for the Rothschilds, then in hedge funds. How are politicians like that meant to solve the vast social tensions which are coming to the surface around Europe? In my opinion, it's no surprise that his campaign seems to be fading away. According to mates in France, most people don't seem to be able to name a single concrete policy the guy has. My wife's french and she will be voting for him. We were in France at the weekend and I saw no evidence of a fading campaign. I predict he will win, but it is close and I could well be wrong. I can name a number of his policies and I'm not French and live in London. I see no reason why his background precludes him from being a good President with plenty to offer. Also I think he spent most of his time at school in his home town of Amiens and went to a local school. Miliband is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants. Not sure that falls under the heading of Noblesse Oblige.
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Originally posted by serial thriller

But don't you consider him as - like Milliband - a version of the noblesse oblige who really have nothing to offer to society anymore? I mean, this is a man right from the heart of the French establishment - he went to their equivalent of Eton, before working for the Rothschilds, then in hedge funds. How are politicians like that meant to solve the vast social tensions which are coming to the surface around Europe?

In my opinion, it's no surprise that his campaign seems to be fading away. According to mates in France, most people don't seem to be able to name a single concrete policy the guy has.

My wife's french and she will be voting for him. We were in France at the weekend and I saw no evidence of a fading campaign. I predict he will win, but it is close and I could well be wrong. I can name a number of his policies and I'm not French and live in London.

I see no reason why his background precludes him from being a good President with plenty to offer. Also I think he spent most of his time at school in his home town of Amiens and went to a local school.

Miliband is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants. Not sure that falls under the heading of Noblesse Oblige.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Genuine - not sarcastic - question......really, is this true? I thought most out voters wanted immigration to stop or (at the very least) reduce to a trickle. How happy will they be once the Brexited UK government decides that it still wants hundreds of thousands of cheap human resources a year? I think this is an example of the fact that 100% of those who voted to Leave want the same thing once we have left so many of them will end up feeling cheated.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Genuine - not sarcastic - question......really, is this true?

I think this is an example of the fact that 100% of those who voted to Leave want the same thing once we have left so many of them will end up feeling cheated.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Apr 17 1.34pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I think this is an example of the fact that 100% of those who voted to Leave want the same thing once we have left so many of them will end up feeling cheated. As has been said before on this thread, if a UK Government decides on mass immigration, so be it. We then have the opportunity of voting out that government and electing a government that has a different policy - something we cannot do while in the EU. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 20 Apr 17 1.34pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I think this is an example of the fact that 100% of those who voted to Leave want the same thing once we have left so many of them will end up feeling cheated.

As has been said before on this thread, if a UK Government decides on mass immigration, so be it. We then have the opportunity of voting out that government and electing a government that has a different policy - something we cannot do while in the EU.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected. And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls. What could it be all about? Aliens? They've had 7 years and these issues have got markedly worse. They are so far ahead in the polls as people don't think the alternative is better, mainly due to the official opposition's embarrassing infighting and weak leadership. They don't want Corbyn as PM and I don't blame them. Most swing voters out there will still only vote red or blue and right now red is a mess.
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Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected.
And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls.

What could it be all about? Aliens?

They've had 7 years and these issues have got markedly worse.

They are so far ahead in the polls as people don't think the alternative is better, mainly due to the official opposition's embarrassing infighting and weak leadership. They don't want Corbyn as PM and I don't blame them. Most swing voters out there will still only vote red or blue and right now red is a mess.

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DalacetiliPie Kettering 20 Apr 17 1.37pm
Originally posted by coulsdoneagle David Lammy, my mp and former Boss. Obviously it's tough being labour with Corbyn but the sooner the general election happens the sooner that clown will have to step down and we can start to build. No matter who you support having a government with no credible opposition is bad news. Sadly, Bobo the Clownbyn will probably stick around beyond the grave election defeat.
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DalacetiliPie

Kettering 20 Apr 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

David Lammy, my mp and former Boss. Obviously it's tough being labour with Corbyn but the sooner the general election happens the sooner that clown will have to step down and we can start to build. No matter who you support having a government with no credible opposition is bad news.

Sadly, Bobo the Clownbyn will probably stick around beyond the grave election defeat.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.41pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 As has been said before on this thread, if a UK Government decides on mass immigration, so be it. We then have the opportunity of voting out that government and electing a government that has a different policy - something we cannot do while in the EU. Do you actually believe that? If the Tories are voted out who will make up the government? The Labour party - who will not have a radically different immigration policy. UKIP have no MPs and even if they do well in this election they will probably only have up to 4. Lib Dems and SNP are pro-EU so that's no help in forming an anti-immigration government. And not everyone who voted out did so for reasons of wanting much lower immigration. We have no realistic opportunity of electing an anti-immigration government. It's much like Trump's blustering about trade and US protectionism. He's done nothing on that front since his election and is unlikely to do so ever.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 20 Apr 17 1.41pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Do you actually believe that? If the Tories are voted out who will make up the government? The Labour party - who will not have a radically different immigration policy. UKIP have no MPs and even if they do well in this election they will probably only have up to 4. Lib Dems and SNP are pro-EU so that's no help in forming an anti-immigration government. And not everyone who voted out did so for reasons of wanting much lower immigration.

We have no realistic opportunity of electing an anti-immigration government.

It's much like Trump's blustering about trade and US protectionism. He's done nothing on that front since his election and is unlikely to do so ever.

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DanH SW2 20 Apr 17 1.43pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected. And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls. What could it be all about? Aliens? It's a serious skill that the Tories manage to convince the working and lower middle classes that they genuinely work in their interest. Cambridge Eagle has succinctly summarised how our economy structurally does not benefit lower earners and is geared towards the already wealthy.
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SW2 20 Apr 17 1.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah, it all just happened overnight when the Tories were elected.
And oddly they are still 20 points ahead in the polls.

What could it be all about? Aliens?

It's a serious skill that the Tories manage to convince the working and lower middle classes that they genuinely work in their interest.

Cambridge Eagle has succinctly summarised how our economy structurally does not benefit lower earners and is geared towards the already wealthy.

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