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ChrisGC  Wantage 07 May 19 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
You said "9/10 in these inner city knifings the parents are part of the root cause." which implies a level of blame due to their attitude on the issue. I've backtracked on nothing. You bizarrely and out of nowhere stated of me that "You'd rather the money went to stopping a load of gang yobbos chiving eachother up over an 8 ball (behaviour fully enabled by their communities) rather than establishing guilt, catching child killers, or preventing murdering peadophile gangs that do unspeakable things to little girls" If you're worried about accuracy, it's yourself you need a word with because my only other words here were in agreement with Midland Eagle where I said that "How many missing children have been completely overlooked due to this endless fixation and spend on one child? This isn't a Hallmark movie. She's not going to just show up now, and other children that could've been helped or rescued from God knows what horrors are routinely overlooked due to this." So as I've said, money should be used to help other missing children, many who have been subjected to horrors. Apparently in whatever fantasy world is in your head you warp my desire to rescue children from the very horrors you mention into some kind of response where I'm fine with pedo gangs raping young girls. Way to use the misery of abused kids to pointlessly point score on a forum. That's something to be proud of isn't it. I've clearly and provably said the exact and complete opposite of your bizarre attack.
Cor blimey, you turned the faux outrage up to the max there pal! And anyway, you can't pointlessly point score: defeats the objective. You've completely missed my point. I have amply demonstrated by your complete over reaction that your original inference was irrelevant by deliberately countering with an inference of my own which you've taken exception to. Why are you offended by my logical inference when you continue to present your own inaccurate and illogical interpretation of what I said? The fact that you instantly descended into slander by name calling is the cherry a top the cake. Perhaps you should take your own advice regarding how you're acting...
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| Invalid user 2019 07 May 19 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
You can't pointlessly point score: defeats the objective. You've completely missed my point. I have amply demonstrated by your complete over reaction that your original inference was irrelevant by deliberately countering with an inference of my own which you've taken exception to. Why are you offended by my logical inference when you continue to present your own inaccurate and illogical interpretation of what I said? The fact that you instantly descended into slander by name calling is the cherry a top the cake. Perhaps you should take your own advice regarding how you're acting... No, actually you've made yourself look foolish and indeed rather creepy by leveraging the suffering of sexually abused kids in a rather bizarre manner to, as you see it, win an argument or prove a point. My inference as you call it, was a perfectly logical statement based on your own comments. Whereas there is clearly absolutely nothing I said that in any way, shape or form gave anyone in any walk of life a free pass on child abuse. In fact my post was specifically targeted at those committing such lurid and unthinkable crimes.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 07 May 19 8.17pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
No, actually you've made yourself look foolish and indeed rather creepy by leveraging the suffering of sexually abused kids in a rather bizarre manner to, as you see it, win an argument or prove a point. My inference as you call it, was a perfectly logical statement based on your own comments. Whereas there is clearly absolutely nothing I said that in any way, shape or form gave anyone in any walk of life a free pass on child abuse. In fact my post was specifically targeted at those committing such lurid and unthinkable crimes.
You've missed the point again so I'll leave it. In conclusion: I wasn't responding to that post so it's irrelevant. You keep bringing to up to try and plaster over the very obvious inference from the one I was referencing. This hole of yours is filling with water... And you can keep bringing up child exploitation up and calling me names mate, nobody is riding in to white knight you here. The clear inference is that you didn't think Madeline McCann was worthy of justice because her parents were white, rich and idiots, and you have more empathy for stabbed drug dealers than raped children. Deflect all you want now, but it's out there. Edited by ChrisGC (07 May 2019 8.17pm)
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| Invalid user 2019 07 May 19 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
You've missed the point again so I'll leave it. In conclusion: I wasn't responding to that post though, so it's irrelevant. You keep bringing to up to try and plaster over the very obvious inference from the one I was referencing. This hole of yours is filling with water... And you can keep bringing up child exploitation up and calling me names mate, nobody is riding in to white knight you here. The clear inference is that you didn't think Madeline McCann was worthy of justice because her parents were white, rich and idiots, and you have more empathy for stabbed drug dealers than raped children. Deflect all you want now, but it's out there. I don't need anyone to leap in to side with me thanks. Save that for people without an argument. You want to obsess over whether my interpretation of "9/10 in these inner city knifings the parents are part of the root cause." is somehow 'off' when it's clearly a reasonable interpretation of your comment. If you want to play 'outraged' over that while inferring that I don't care if gangs rape children, when for one that's a truly bizarre statement out of nowhere, and two is the complete opposite of everything I've said in this thread and others, so you'll be getting told exactly how it is for your foolishness, flippancy and utilisation of child abuse to score cheap points. I had already specifically said to someone else that the focus on Maddy should be on a wider approach to child safety and saving kids from horrors. What exactly do you think I meant by horrors? Uh sexual abuse perhaps? I didn't even mention the race of the family but did mention class, because that's what it comes down to really for me. A comfy middle class family with a decade of support from the public, when other missing and abused kids drift on by. Yes, including abused working class white girls who no-one gave a damn about. It's possible to hold concern for people of all races you know. This stupid and simplistic idea that if I'm not all for throwing money at the McCanns I "have more empathy for stabbed drug dealers than raped children" is more entirely imagined cr@p that holds zero connection to anything I've ever said.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 May 19 9.15pm |
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To be clear, I have zero affinity for Islam or any other religion for that matter, and don't think that cultural sensitivities or any such weak approach to law enforcement should ever block investigations into such heinous crimes. Doing so creates a safe space for deplorable acts, and funnily enough I'm against that and always have been. Edited by dollardays (07 May 2019 9.29pm)
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 Stirlingsays 07 May 19 9.31pm |
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I'm still waiting for them to bring out another soup. I'm getting bored with mushroom. Oh no...wait, that's McCain......No wonder that can tasted weird. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2019 9.34pm)
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| Invalid user 2019 07 May 19 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm still waiting for them to bring out another soup. I'm getting bored with mushroom. Oh no...wait, that's McCain......No wonder that can tasted weird. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2019 9.34pm) Let's hope John McCain products don't start appearing in the freezer isle.
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| Stirlingsays 07 May 19 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Let's hope John McCain products don't start appearing in the freezer isle.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 07 May 19 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
To be clear, I have zero affinity for Islam or any other religion for that matter, and don't think that cultural sensitivities or any such weak approach to law enforcement should ever block investigations into such heinous crimes. Doing so creates a safe space for deplorable acts, and funnily enough I'm against that and always have been. Edited by dollardays (07 May 2019 9.29pm) I didn't mention Islam. Agree with you though.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 07 May 19 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
I don't need anyone to leap in to side with me thanks. Save that for people without an argument. You want to obsess over whether my interpretation of "9/10 in these inner city knifings the parents are part of the root cause." is somehow 'off' when it's clearly a reasonable interpretation of your comment. If you want to play 'outraged' over that while inferring that I don't care if gangs rape children, when for one that's a truly bizarre statement out of nowhere, and two is the complete opposite of everything I've said in this thread and others, so you'll be getting told exactly how it is for your foolishness, flippancy and utilisation of child abuse to score cheap points. I had already specifically said to someone else that the focus on Maddy should be on a wider approach to child safety and saving kids from horrors. What exactly do you think I meant by horrors? Uh sexual abuse perhaps? I didn't even mention the race of the family but did mention class, because that's what it comes down to really for me. A comfy middle class family with a decade of support from the public, when other missing and abused kids drift on by. Yes, including abused working class white girls who no-one gave a damn about. It's possible to hold concern for people of all races you know. This stupid and simplistic idea that if I'm not all for throwing money at the McCanns I "have more empathy for stabbed drug dealers than raped children" is more entirely imagined cr@p that holds zero connection to anything I've ever said. Edited by dollardays (07 May 2019 8.37pm) Bingo. You FINALLY got my point. Not nice having an inference drawn that you clearly never intended, is it? Now re-read my posts objectively and the penny will drop.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 19 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
So because the parents are morons, we should wipe our hands of one of our own British children getting done by a peadophile gang? Poundweek suggested I lacked empathy for a bunch of thugs running about killing eachother because I'd rather the money went to finding a child. I'm happy about the direction my moral compass is pointing, you two need a recalibration.
Edited by ChrisGC (07 May 2019 7.01pm) No, I think we should give up the search as millions of pounds of resources have already been poured into the case with no success - unfortunately their comes a time to draw a line under it until further evidence comes to light. I think trying to suggest that I don’t have empathy with the parents, or indeed that I morally don’t align with them is quite a reprehensible way to approach a debate, as is trying to claim some sort of moral superiority when it comes to missing children. I think it’s interesting you’ve introduced the fact she’s white and middle class into the discussion in later posts, and it was very evident from your postings that ultimately you care more about Maddie because she is exactly that - I was keen to keep race out of the comparison but it’s interesting you introduced it more overtly as the thread want on. Your point on 9/10 parents being part of a root cause has clearly been misunderstood by numerous posters, and despite me politely asking you to expand on the point, you retorted with usual rudeness - why are you so hesitant to explain what you meant? Ultimately, the responses on the thread indicate where most people’s feelings are on this issue.
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 becky over the moon 08 May 19 4.46pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
So because the parents are morons, we should wipe our hands of one of our own British children getting done by a peadophile gang? There is not actual hard evidence to suggest that she was taken by a paedophile gang .......she could just as likely been taken to order for adoption (blond, blue-eyed children are very much in demand I understand) unless you know something more than the investigation team?
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