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serial thriller The Promised Land 12 Sep 15 6.25pm
Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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iheartcpfc SE25 12 Sep 15 6.50pm
re the BBC biased in favour of JC, did you watch it? They were being very negative and critical of him via their reporters asking Labour people questions
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SE25 12 Sep 15 6.50pm

re the BBC biased in favour of JC, did you watch it? They were being very negative and critical of him via their reporters asking Labour people questions

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oldcodger 12 Sep 15 6.56pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 12 Sep 2015 6.50pm re the BBC biased in favour of JC, did you watch it? They were being very negative and critical of him via their reporters asking Labour people questions I saw that on here too. It's depressing that partisanship routinely gets in the way of the facts. It was balanced coverage.
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Quote iheartcpfc at 12 Sep 2015 6.50pm

re the BBC biased in favour of JC, did you watch it? They were being very negative and critical of him via their reporters asking Labour people questions

I saw that on here too. It's depressing that partisanship routinely gets in the way of the facts. It was balanced coverage.

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matt_himself Matataland 12 Sep 15 6.59pm
Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age. I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring... "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 12 Sep 15 6.59pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age.

I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring...

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Sep 15 7.03pm
Goodbye Labour. Third place at the next election ?
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Goodbye Labour.

Third place at the next election ?

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ChuFukka 12 Sep 15 7.47pm
Whilst it would be naïve (and arrogant) in the extreme to write Corbyn off already, I think it very unlikely he will make it past 2020 as he has such a mountain to climb. 1) Traditionally centrist electorate, particularly in England which generally leans slightly right 2) Convincing argument that Scotland was lost to nationalism, not economics or social politics 3) Incumbency bonus and notoriously risk-averse electorate 4) Boundary changes 5) Generally favourable economic situation (although this is the weakest point as things could change for any number of reasons - China, Europe etc.) 6) Inevitable mauling by press, extremely chequered past 7) Historically poor showing by young voters on election day and consistently high showing by pensioners (who are going to move slightly closer to the Tories and will be a marginally bigger demographic in 5 years) This is not to say he has no chance - there does seem to be a real groundswell of enthusiasm within the Labour party and from the left, but their challenge will be to convince those closer to the centre ground. If we see an economic downturn, if he can start convincing Scotland or the if Tories really f*** up somewhere (possibly via their own leadership election) then we should start to get very worried because Corbyn in power won't be so far fetched and what a disaster for all of us that would be.
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12 Sep 15 7.47pm

Whilst it would be naïve (and arrogant) in the extreme to write Corbyn off already, I think it very unlikely he will make it past 2020 as he has such a mountain to climb.

1) Traditionally centrist electorate, particularly in England which generally leans slightly right

2) Convincing argument that Scotland was lost to nationalism, not economics or social politics

3) Incumbency bonus and notoriously risk-averse electorate

4) Boundary changes

5) Generally favourable economic situation (although this is the weakest point as things could change for any number of reasons - China, Europe etc.)

6) Inevitable mauling by press, extremely chequered past

7) Historically poor showing by young voters on election day and consistently high showing by pensioners (who are going to move slightly closer to the Tories and will be a marginally bigger demographic in 5 years)

This is not to say he has no chance - there does seem to be a real groundswell of enthusiasm within the Labour party and from the left, but their challenge will be to convince those closer to the centre ground. If we see an economic downturn, if he can start convincing Scotland or the if Tories really f*** up somewhere (possibly via their own leadership election) then we should start to get very worried because Corbyn in power won't be so far fetched and what a disaster for all of us that would be.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 12 Sep 15 7.49pm
Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age. I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring... I think it's salient because the UK is supposedly in a period of economic growth, unlike in Spain or Greece where similar movements have gathered pace, and I think the reason behind it is because many people, especially the young, do regard the country as unequal (which it of course is, massively) and unjust. Regardless of your political standpoint, this is a massive moment in British politics and one that came completely out of the blue. I think Corbyn's right as to where this discontent is coming from. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 12 Sep 15 7.49pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age.

I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring...

I think it's salient because the UK is supposedly in a period of economic growth, unlike in Spain or Greece where similar movements have gathered pace, and I think the reason behind it is because many people, especially the young, do regard the country as unequal (which it of course is, massively) and unjust. Regardless of your political standpoint, this is a massive moment in British politics and one that came completely out of the blue. I think Corbyn's right as to where this discontent is coming from.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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ChuFukka 12 Sep 15 7.53pm
Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age. I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring... I think it's salient because the UK is supposedly in a period of economic growth, unlike in Spain or Greece where similar movements have gathered pace, and I think the reason behind it is because many people, especially the young, do regard the country as unequal (which it of course is, massively) and unjust. Regardless of your political standpoint, this is a massive moment in British politics and one that came completely out of the blue. I think Corbyn's right as to where this discontent is coming from. It would be a mistake to overstate the strength of this result though; to quote some guy on the BBS: 251,000 people felt shaken up enough to vote for him out of the 9,347,000 people who voted Labour in the last election. How many of those votes were mischievous will never be known either. Basically, he's won the already converted. Time will tell whether he can go one better.
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12 Sep 15 7.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age.

I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring...

It would be a mistake to overstate the strength of this result though; to quote some guy on the BBS:

251,000 people felt shaken up enough to vote for him out of the 9,347,000 people who voted Labour in the last election. How many of those votes were mischievous will never be known either.

Basically, he's won the already converted. Time will tell whether he can go one better.

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matt_himself Matataland 12 Sep 15 7.57pm
Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age. I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring... I think it's salient because the UK is supposedly in a period of economic growth, unlike in Spain or Greece where similar movements have gathered pace, and I think the reason behind it is because many people, especially the young, do regard the country as unequal (which it of course is, massively) and unjust. Regardless of your political standpoint, this is a massive moment in British politics and one that came completely out of the blue. I think Corbyn's right as to where this discontent is coming from. This country is not 'massively' unequal. It is this type of hyperbolic nonsense that reduce any credibility the left have on pragmatic politics. Apart from a small mega rich minority who do exist on a different planet, there is opportunity and employment for pretty much everyone, if they want it. There is an entrepreneurial spirit in this country people from countries as close a France are jealous of and allows a lot of people to forge a path for themselves. This result has not 'come out of the blue', if you had been following politics you would have seen that the Labour Party has been drifting leftwards for years, the affiliate membership status allowed classic Trot entryism tactics to prevail and the other candidates were s***e, even by Labour's standards. What this result is about is the far left whipping up hyperbole based on inaccuracies and then attempting to engender a power struggle & resultant social engineering programme for their own ends, not for the benefit of society. I think you are mistaken what he young think. All the youngsters I work with think Corbyn is a relic of a bygone time and a prick. Edited by matt_himself (12 Sep 2015 8.07pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 12 Sep 15 7.57pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age.

I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring...

This country is not 'massively' unequal. It is this type of hyperbolic nonsense that reduce any credibility the left have on pragmatic politics. Apart from a small mega rich minority who do exist on a different planet, there is opportunity and employment for pretty much everyone, if they want it. There is an entrepreneurial spirit in this country people from countries as close a France are jealous of and allows a lot of people to forge a path for themselves.

This result has not 'come out of the blue', if you had been following politics you would have seen that the Labour Party has been drifting leftwards for years, the affiliate membership status allowed classic Trot entryism tactics to prevail and the other candidates were s***e, even by Labour's standards.

What this result is about is the far left whipping up hyperbole based on inaccuracies and then attempting to engender a power struggle & resultant social engineering programme for their own ends, not for the benefit of society.

I think you are mistaken what he young think. All the youngsters I work with think Corbyn is a relic of a bygone time and a prick.

Edited by matt_himself (12 Sep 2015 8.07pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 12 Sep 15 8.08pm
Quote ChuFukka at 12 Sep 2015 7.53pm Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain. A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age. I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring... I think it's salient because the UK is supposedly in a period of economic growth, unlike in Spain or Greece where similar movements have gathered pace, and I think the reason behind it is because many people, especially the young, do regard the country as unequal (which it of course is, massively) and unjust. Regardless of your political standpoint, this is a massive moment in British politics and one that came completely out of the blue. I think Corbyn's right as to where this discontent is coming from. It would be a mistake to overstate the strength of this result though; to quote some guy on the BBS: 251,000 people felt shaken up enough to vote for him out of the 9,347,000 people who voted Labour in the last election. How many of those votes were mischievous will never be known either. Basically, he's won the already converted. Time will tell whether he can go one better. In his head 'it's massive'. Let him think that. It will soon all be revealed for what it is. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 12 Sep 15 8.08pm

Quote ChuFukka at 12 Sep 2015 7.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 7.49pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Minutes after his victory, Corbyn said the message is that people are “fed up with the injustice and the inequality” of Britain.

A very simple point, but one it's incredibly hard to argue with.

It's just a sound bite that means nothing and is swallowed by morons as heralding a new, golden age.

I can't wait to see what the next 99 days of his leadership bring...

It would be a mistake to overstate the strength of this result though; to quote some guy on the BBS:

251,000 people felt shaken up enough to vote for him out of the 9,347,000 people who voted Labour in the last election. How many of those votes were mischievous will never be known either.

Basically, he's won the already converted. Time will tell whether he can go one better.

In his head 'it's massive'. Let him think that. It will soon all be revealed for what it is.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Sep 15 8.33pm
A huge amount of voters both left and right will agree with a lot of what he says and plans to do but they will also be too wary/scared to vote for him unless there is a massive media swell of positivity behind him. Which won't happen, of course. Pity. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Sep 15 8.33pm

A huge amount of voters both left and right will agree with a lot of what he says and plans to do but they will also be too wary/scared to vote for him unless there is a massive media swell of positivity behind him. Which won't happen, of course. Pity.

Big chest and massive boobs

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leggedstruggle Croydon 12 Sep 15 11.50pm
The Labour party is going to end up like all the far left parties with endless splits and splinter groups - New Labour, Old Labour, Real Labour, Provisional Labour, Peoples' Labour, Non-person's Labour, Gay Labour, Islamic Labour, Black Labour, Social Democratic Labour, Menshevik Labour, Bolshevik Labour, etc. Should be entertaining though. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 12 Sep 15 11.50pm

The Labour party is going to end up like all the far left parties with endless splits and splinter groups - New Labour, Old Labour, Real Labour, Provisional Labour, Peoples' Labour, Non-person's Labour, Gay Labour, Islamic Labour, Black Labour, Social Democratic Labour, Menshevik Labour, Bolshevik Labour, etc. Should be entertaining though.

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