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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere.
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase.
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? Is it racist to prefer living with people of your own race, language, culture and religion? Many people of ethnic minorities would think the same. Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.05pm)
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs.
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm)
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel.
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language.
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language. I thought I'd chanced upon a rare candid moment. If you'd leave your own home solely based on the race of those moving to your area, that to me seems racist. Anyone acting that way would fall under the same bracket. You're free to think that way though if it makes your life more comfortable. Of course though, we cannot escape race. What if one of your children started dating a black man? Would that suddenly be a big problem for you? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.35pm)
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language. I thought I'd chanced upon a rare candid moment. If you'd leave your own home solely based on the race of those moving to your area, that to me seems racist. Anyone acting that way would fall under the same bracket. You're free to think that way though if it makes your life more comfortable. Of course though, we cannot escape race. What if one of your children started dating a black man? Would that suddenly be a big problem for you? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.35pm) I think it shows just how easily the term 'racist' is now bandied about - it is losing all real meaning. It is just used as a derogatory term for anyone who voices politically incorrect opinions. Those that accuse people of racism on the flimsiest of pretexts are the intolerant ones. Who my children marry is of course a matter entirely up to them. As I said, we don't live in an area that is ethnically enriched so it probably would not come about. My daughter is already married with two red haired children - they do have blue eyes though. Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.43pm)
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language. I thought I'd chanced upon a rare candid moment. If you'd leave your own home solely based on the race of those moving to your area, that to me seems racist. Anyone acting that way would fall under the same bracket. You're free to think that way though if it makes your life more comfortable. Of course though, we cannot escape race. What if one of your children started dating a black man? Would that suddenly be a big problem for you? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.35pm) I think it shows just how easily the term 'racist' is now bandied about - it is losing all real meaning. It is just used as a derogatory term for anyone who voices politically incorrect opinions. Those that accuse people of racism on the flimsiest of pretexts are the intolerant ones. If you flee your own home solely because people of other races move into the area it's hardly that 'out there' to call that racist. What other possible justification is there for such a hysterical overreaction to circumstance? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.42pm)
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language. I thought I'd chanced upon a rare candid moment. If you'd leave your own home solely based on the race of those moving to your area, that to me seems racist. Anyone acting that way would fall under the same bracket. You're free to think that way though if it makes your life more comfortable. Of course though, we cannot escape race. What if one of your children started dating a black man? Would that suddenly be a big problem for you? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.35pm) I think it shows just how easily the term 'racist' is now bandied about - it is losing all real meaning. It is just used as a derogatory term for anyone who voices politically incorrect opinions. Those that accuse people of racism on the flimsiest of pretexts are the intolerant ones. If you flee your own home solely because people of other races move into the area it's hardly that 'out there' to call that racist. What other possible justification is there for such a hysterical overreaction to circumstance? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.42pm) I wouldn't 'flee' my home. I would make a decision as to whether I wanted to live there. I would take many factors into consideration, would house prices be affected? Would educational standards be affected? Would local shops change their character? Would I have to put up with a bloody carnival? Would I have leaflets supporting radical religions thrust into my hands? etc etc. From what you say, if I moved in next door to you, and married your daughter, you would be the one having an 'hysterical overreaction'?
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"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what? At a certain point, I would move elsewhere. I think being able to adapt is a strength and that to dramatically overplay the relevance of skin colour is racist and very unfortunate. At least you are honest about your views though. Some conceal their real motivations. You're honest. That counts for something and cuts to the chase. What's my real motivation then? No, I said some do. People who display essentially the same views as you but fall short of just coming out with what they're all about. You're clearly very honest about your beliefs. My beliefs? All I have said is that I prefer to live with people who are of the same race, language, culture and religion. You seem to want to read into that more than what is stated. Why don't don't you be honest and clearly state what you are perhaps implying? Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 5.11pm) You stated earlier that if enough people of other races moved to your area you'd leave. You don't need to dress it up as if the other aspects are vital to the equation. I'm not implying anything. I've said that your beliefs are somewhat racist. Beyond that what else is there to say. There's no argument to be had if that's how you feel. I honestly do not see how it is being racist. Most immigrants tend to live in areas where members of their same country of origin, race, language, culture and religion live. Are they being racist? When you buy or rent a home you checkout the area to see if it is the sort of place you want to live, and one of the key factors is the sort of people who live there. As for "you don't need to dress it up as if the other factors are vital", I could put the four factors in any order, race is actually probably the least important, certainly less important than language. I thought I'd chanced upon a rare candid moment. If you'd leave your own home solely based on the race of those moving to your area, that to me seems racist. Anyone acting that way would fall under the same bracket. You're free to think that way though if it makes your life more comfortable. Of course though, we cannot escape race. What if one of your children started dating a black man? Would that suddenly be a big problem for you? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.35pm) I think it shows just how easily the term 'racist' is now bandied about - it is losing all real meaning. It is just used as a derogatory term for anyone who voices politically incorrect opinions. Those that accuse people of racism on the flimsiest of pretexts are the intolerant ones. If you flee your own home solely because people of other races move into the area it's hardly that 'out there' to call that racist. What other possible justification is there for such a hysterical overreaction to circumstance? Edited by Steptoe (07 Jun 2015 5.42pm) I wouldn't 'flee' my home. I would make a decision as to whether I wanted to live there. I would take many factors into consideration, would house prices be affected? Would educational standards be affected? Would local shops change their character? Would I have to put up with a bloody carnival? Would I have leaflets supporting radical religions thrust into my hands? etc etc. From what you say, if I moved in next door to you, and married your daughter, you would be the one having an 'hysterical overreaction'? Most probably, because I believe in judging people by the content of their character, rather than the colour of their skin.
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