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sanitycheck 05 Dec 14 10.43am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Dec 2014 9.32am
In an ideal world. In reality, pressure groups and large corporate interests have far more influence over government than the desires of individual voters, which has kind of brought us to this situation where people are identifying with such 'political heavy weights' as Farange and Brand. Largely down to their media 'credentials', neither really represents an opposition or alternative, only a situation where its 'interesting' to the media to provide coverage. There are much better people for the media to talk to about 'alternatives to capitalism' that Russell Brand kind dumbs down. But then people like that might get taken seriously. But I'm not talking about influence over government. I'm talking about influence over public opinion. For which the biggest single factor is coverage in the media. Pressure groups deserve media coverage depending, I would say, on the two criteria I mentioned. Again, often the coverage of Brand is negative. He's being pushed to the fore to discredit people with those ideas, not to say "aren't these ideas valuable". Do you think when he appears on the front page of Murdoch owned papers it's to "help" Brand spread his word? Brand has very little influence over public opinion compared to people with actual power and serious money. Where people ever dare to take him seriously, or anything he's affiliated with it's despite this, not because of it. I don't agree entirely. I think the Daily Mail has got it in for him. I disapprove of this. I disapproved of the way the Channel 4 reporter went in for a cheap shot. But the BBC kind of fawns over him. Giving him a place on 'Start the Week' is far from hostile coverage. They have also made him their unofficial spokesperson on the debate about legalisation of drugs based on... er, based on what again? Has he done lots of secret research into the subject that we don't know about? It's a tricky one with drugs because Governments are known for completely ignoring their own advisory bodies. So who should be listened to on the subject is a bit of a mystery. Clearly in this area Brand isn't being lifted up to be shot down. Instead it boils down to him publicly talking about drugs an awful lot over the years (too much) and his views on addiction. I'm not sure that he would deserve to be universally shot down by all media regardless of what he has to say about anything. The very idea is a bit unusual. Like it or not, many people are interested in what he has to say. Edited by sanitycheck (05 Dec 2014 10.43am)
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Part Time James 05 Dec 14 10.48am | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Dec 2014 10.39am
Next Thursday night on Question Time (BBC1 10.35pm) should be interesting....... 2 of the panel are Russell Brand and Nigel Farage! I think it's going to be a lively debate.
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TUX redhill 05 Dec 14 5.44pm | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Dec 2014 10.43pm
I find it very amusing that you preach at people to focus on Brand's message not his personality, yet you ignore most of what I say and and justify doing so by characterising me as someone who has a "binary" view of the world (whatever that's supposed to mean.) I also find it amusing that you think Brand represents views ''not covered by the media". All the media has done recently is cover his views! To the point of tedium![/quote] Quite the opposite Johnny or the 'New Era' issue (for example) would be plastered on the front pages would it not? Instead, the front pages are plastered with another pathetic attempt to discredit a man who has no power, is not running for election and is ridiculed by over half of the population. Why? That is what you should be asking yourself. As for ignoring what you say, I read what you post, I just don't agree with most of it. That's all.
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TUX redhill 05 Dec 14 5.47pm | |
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Quote Part Time James at 05 Dec 2014 10.48am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Dec 2014 10.39am
Next Thursday night on Question Time (BBC1 10.35pm) should be interesting....... 2 of the panel are Russell Brand and Nigel Farage! I think it's going to be a lively debate.
Farage will get torn a new one.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 14 6.43pm | |
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The sun poll of 537 people concludes that Brand is a hypocrite! Could it be that they're used to socialist criticism from the poor, which they can dismiss as the politics of envy or resentment, but that being criticised from within, by a rich man, genuinely has them feeling threatened? This is a lesson for all who oppose todays skewed system, of course, because people must work towards a position where 'they' are genuinely threatened. In the meantime, the anti movement can cautiously welcome tactical support from anyone, without surrendering critical judgement. Let's get one thing straight: "Film star lives in nice flat" is not a story. "Working class bloke does well for himself, repents misogyny, discovers concern for social justice and wants to put something back into the community" *is* a story, and might even turn out to be true. Marx and Engels lived off surplus value. William Morris was a capitalist. Tony Benn was a millionaire and Billy Bragg has a nice house in the country. There is no purity under an impure system and socialism, despite what it's detractors say, is not a vow of poverty. Look at Bob Crow, he lived in a council house and they still called him a hypocrite. It's what you *do* that counts. Being called a hypocrite by The Scum? The paper of 'Gotcha', Hillsborough and Wapping? A paper which hires middle-class graduates to write articles in a manufactured 'working class' tabloidese opposing every progressive social advance over the last 40 years, from trade union representation to LGBTQ rights? Being hated by The Scum is a compliment. Edited by nickgusset (05 Dec 2014 6.45pm)
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TUX redhill 05 Dec 14 7.12pm | |
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The Sun v Brand. As this is primarily a football site, let's do a "your club is bigger than mine" comparison: The Sun Newspaper has 855,000 Twitter followers, whereas Brand has 8.6mil. The Sun Newspaper has 1.7mil Facebook likes. Brand has 2.9mil The Sun Newspaper has 8000 YouTube subscribers. Brand has over 800,000 The Sun Newspaper's most viewed video "The women you'd love..." has 4.5mil. Brand's "Westboro Baptist Church" interview has 5.6mil views.
Edited by TUX (05 Dec 2014 7.28pm) Edited by TUX (05 Dec 2014 8.04pm)
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Bubbs Edinburgh 05 Dec 14 7.51pm | |
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Quote TUX at 05 Dec 2014 7.12pm
Brand v The Sun. As this is primarily a football site, let's do a "your club is bigger than mine" comparison: The Sun Newspaper has 855,000 Twitter followers, whereas Brand has 8.6mil. The Sun Newspaper has 1.7mil Facebook likes. Brand has 2.9mil The Sun Newspaper has 8000 YouTube subscribers. Brand has over 800,000 The Sun Newspaper's most viewed video "The women you'd love..." has 4.5mil. Brand's "Westboro Baptist Church" interview has 5.6mil views.
Edited by TUX (05 Dec 2014 7.28pm)
Think The Sun have totally mugged themselves off with this one. Reminds me of when George Bush snr announced that America needs a nation 'closer to the Waltons than to the Simpsons!'.
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Johnny Eagles berlin 05 Dec 14 10.34pm | |
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Brand has 8.6 million twitter followers!!?
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sanitycheck 05 Dec 14 11.35pm | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 05 Dec 2014 10.34pm
Brand has 8.6 million twitter followers!!?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Dec 14 12.25am | |
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Go on you lot, watch this one from Russ, tis only 4 minutes long. Answers a lot of the 'they're only exploting tax loopholes-it ain't illegal' waffle we get from Murdoch et al...
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Johnny Eagles berlin 06 Dec 14 12.31am | |
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Quote sanitycheck at 05 Dec 2014 11.35pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 05 Dec 2014 10.34pm
Brand has 8.6 million twitter followers!!?
He has the same number of followers as people who voted Labour at the last election. Which puts all my comments about 'legitimate platforms' into context. F*ck me. I had no idea. God help us.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 06 Dec 14 1.10am | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 06 Dec 2014 12.31am
Quote sanitycheck at 05 Dec 2014 11.35pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 05 Dec 2014 10.34pm
Brand has 8.6 million twitter followers!!?
He has the same number of followers as people who voted Labour at the last election. Which puts all my comments about 'legitimate platforms' into context. F*ck me. I had no idea. God help us. So Johnny do you now accept that Brand has a legitimate platform to put across his views and have them widely heard? And that his millions of subscribers and followers indicate he has something valuable to say? I would say, by your own criteria, he does.
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