Kermit takes view on a matter due to his prejudices against those he hates, thinks he should hate, is envious of, has been rejected by or doesn't get.

He understands little of the substance before making is position felt and then runs poorly crafted Google searches to fit information around his cut and paste philosophy.

JamieIknowitall does the same but is a more elegant cut and paste merchant.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

I think most of the arab nations would be happier to put the Palestinian problem to bed, rather than destroy Israel now. The degree to which Israel is under realistic threat of non-existance compared to the post war period is negligible to non-existent. Militarily, its capable far beyond any of its arab neighbours in terms of any conventional war, and most of its problems stem from the 'occupied territories'.

The real problem is that having allowed or tolerated settlements it has a very difficult political problem in giving that land back, because its occupied generally by rather militant, armed, and capable 'Zionist' groups that aren't above causing problems.

The most feasible approach would be to have the UN involved in a transitional state. The problem of course is that extremists on both sides have no interest in allowing that, as it marginalises their own relevance.

Whilst the political wing of Hamas Councils and Welfare wings are generally co-operative within the PA and Israeli interaction, the militant wing of Hamas is independent, and strong enough to act according to its own dictates (certainly beyond the capacity of the PA own capacity to prevent them).

Its a misconception that the Palestine Authority (and the elected representatives from Hamas are in full control). The Militant wing, or al-Qassam Martyr brigades are financed and directed more or less irrespective of the political wings. Then you have other groups, such as Palestine Islamic Jihad, Army of Islam, Popular Resistance Committees (which are essentially Hezbollah) al-Aqsa (which is a collective of different groups) and so on - none of which are likely to accept any kind of truce that isn't very popular with the Palestinian populace in general.

Now those groups are largely funded through independent means (or other foreign groups such as Islamic Jihad supporters or Hezbollah), as well as through their own local support networks and possible criminal enterprises. They're probably more powerful than the Palestinian Authority is.

Most of these groups operate in secret cell structures with limited contact and a lot of independence (they have to in order to avoid Israeli intelligence), its that most members don't know each other either.

Likely as not, peace and nation status isn't going to be enough for Palestine. Arafat knew that way back, that unless the deal really delivered something that could be sold as a victory, then it would likely as not be scuppered by rival political factions.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Here we go again! Your self righteous crusade against 'ignorance'.

I find that hilarious as your ignorance has been exposed so many times.

And saying resorting to sniping when 'cornered' is hypocrisy of the top drawer - what we have come to expect from you - given that you haven't responded to one word in my previous post, just bore vomited a bunch of insults to add to your previous volley of insults this morning.

I will leave this now. You can't preach to the deluded.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

If Hol were WW2 you would most certainly be Italy. Not once did you attempt to cover the points raised in my supposed "copy and paste" post. It wasn't, btw.

Instead, you, as usual, use the diversionary tactics of derision to attack and then flee with your tail between yer legs rather than hold your ground and argue the points lucidly and with reason.

Big chest and massive boobs

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An antagonistic battle between two opposing ideological forces that show no sign of budging, refuse to co operate, and instead continue to intensify the battle by dropping bombs and trading insults.

But enough on Matt and Kermit, what do people think about Israel and Palestine?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Did you see Luiz Felipe Scolari there?

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