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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Nov 23 9.15pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
A slight typo on my behalf as it was off the top of my head Instead of health professionals it was health care worker. But so what? My point was the exact same. Over 80,000 healthcare professionals sorry I mean healthcare workers....refused the jab and government backed down. And rightly so. This also included nurses and doctors and anyone working in healthcare. The guy in the video I provided was not just a "guy" he was a doctor. We know there was hesitancy and reluctance. We know why this was. We knew that it needed to be gently countered and the benefits explained. We knew some would be either so stupid or so stubborn that no amount of reasoning would convince them. All you are doing now is proving we were right. I am calling a halt to this. There are more important things going on in the world than trying to convince a misinformed anti-vaxxer he is wrong.
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eaglesdare 13 Nov 23 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We know there was hesitancy and reluctance. We know why this was. We knew that it needed to be gently countered and the benefits explained. We knew some would be either so stupid or so stubborn that no amount of reasoning would convince them. All you are doing now is proving we were right. I am calling a halt to this. There are more important things going on in the world than trying to convince a misinformed anti-vaxxer he is wrong. I made an informed decision about my body that affects absolutely no one else. And yes on that thought we shall leave it there.
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The Dolphin 21 Nov 23 10.07am | |
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As the enquiry was set up by the government it’s hardly likely its purpose is to smear itself, is it? Johnson repeatedly claimed they were “following the science” when a lot of the time they neither understood it or even considered it. Reporting the chaos is an imperative if we are to perform better the next time. Ensuring that the politicians know their actions, and inaction, will later be subject to public scrutiny should produce a more objective outcome. How you can claim “Boris was right” beats me when everything that’s being revealed demonstrates how wrong he was in delaying the necessary actions. If we had gone down harder and earlier we could have avoided some of the problems and released earlier. The idea that just because lockdowns had consequences they were wrong is stupidity on steriods. We knew they would. Every choice we faced had consequences, all bad. The decision to be made was which was least bad. Letting people die because they were old and had already had a life is not something any government ought to contemplate, but ours did, until the political consequences hit them. We don’t know what the full consequences would have been if we had taken another route because we didn’t. However there is strong scientific belief that it would have been much worse, quite possibly not only a greater loss of life but also greater economic consequences. This idea that everything would be ok if only they had done what I said they should have done is the reasoning of the playground. Wisbech - the Government had to set up and enquiry and rightly so. Edited by The Dolphin (21 Nov 2023 10.07am)
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Stirlingsays 21 Nov 23 2.18pm | |
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They can reach for all the justifications in the world. The generations who will have to pay for it won't forgive them. I wouldn't want to be them essentially because as time goes on the alternative views....which have been kept from the mainstream public eye since this started.....will gradually become more and more heard as power shifts. Yep, I don't think it's going to be great for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2023 3.42pm)
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eaglesdare 21 Nov 23 3.02pm | |
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The enquiry is a complete waste of time. In fact Boris had the scientific evidence to not lock down and bowed to pressure from covid zero zealots and the scare mongering media.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
As the enquiry was set up by the government it’s hardly likely its purpose is to smear itself, is it? Johnson repeatedly claimed they were “following the science” when a lot of the time they neither understood it or even considered it. Reporting the chaos is an imperative if we are to perform better the next time. Ensuring that the politicians know their actions, and inaction, will later be subject to public scrutiny should produce a more objective outcome. How you can claim “Boris was right” beats me when everything that’s being revealed demonstrates how wrong he was in delaying the necessary actions. If we had gone down harder and earlier we could have avoided some of the problems and released earlier. The idea that just because lockdowns had consequences they were wrong is stupidity on steriods. We knew they would. Every choice we faced had consequences, all bad. The decision to be made was which was least bad. Letting people die because they were old and had already had a life is not something any government ought to contemplate, but ours did, until the political consequences hit them. We don’t know what the full consequences would have been if we had taken another route because we didn’t. However there is strong scientific belief that it would have been much worse, quite possibly not only a greater loss of life but also greater economic consequences. This idea that everything would be ok if only they had done what I said they should have done is the reasoning of the playground. Wisbech - the Government had to set up and enquiry and rightly so. Edited by The Dolphin (21 Nov 2023 10.07am) This response, along with the others that take a similar line, is clearly a conclusion seeking straws to try and support it. Whitty and Vallance are both scientists. They aren’t politicians worried about what anyone might think of them. They could both retire tomorrow and disappear to a secluded backwater on big pensions. They are telling the truth as they remember it, backed up by diaries and contemporary notes. I trust them both much more than any politician and what they have said, together with others, leads to the inevitable conclusion that Downing St was a mess under Johnson, who was indecisive and inconsistent during the pandemic. Which, given all we know about him, is no surprise at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 3.47pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
The enquiry is a complete waste of time. In fact Boris had the scientific evidence to not lock down and bowed to pressure from covid zero zealots and the scare mongering media. You are, at least, always good for a laugh! Did you get your “unscientific” and “scientific” the wrong way around? It’s the only way your response makes even the slightest sense. Mind you none of your attitudes over Covid make any sense to me.
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eaglesdare 21 Nov 23 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, at least, always good for a laugh! Did you get your “unscientific” and “scientific” the wrong way around? It’s the only way your response makes even the slightest sense. Mind you none of your attitudes over Covid make any sense to me. Whatever
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 3.57pm | |
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I hope that the enquiry, when it finally reports its conclusions will lay to rest all these conspiracy theories and assumptions about alternative strategies. At least for most people. There are obviously some who reached their conclusions early on and haven’t wavered in their certitude, no matter what the evidence or opinions of others might be. I though hope the enquiry identifies things we did well and areas which need improvement. In particular having plans in place with step by step actions documented, thus avoiding the need to make policy on the hoof.
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Teddy Eagle 21 Nov 23 6.53pm | |
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Other opinions are available.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 9.01pm | |
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The IEA is a right wing pressure group posing as a think tank. They have campaigned against lockdowns from the get go. Nothing new to see here and even less to learn.
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Teddy Eagle 21 Nov 23 9.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The IEA is a right wing pressure group posing as a think tank. They have campaigned against lockdowns from the get go. Nothing new to see here and even less to learn. A right wing pressure group who are against a Conservative government. They might have always been against lockdowns but now they have the evidence to back them up.
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