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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 19 Mar 15 6.35pm |
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Sorry bout the source, but some interesting points. *Awaits it's just lefty bulls*** response without salient arguments against the points it raises.
Does anyone believe that statistics are free from political bias any more ? Or even that the data is reliable in the first place. Apply common sense for a change. If you have a cake and 1 person eats it they have the whole cake. If 5 people eat it there is less for everyone. Absorb that statistic. We just can't afford more cakes and our increasing debt should tell you that. Considering that immigration is so "good" for the country it is odd that we are in so much debt. Maybe we should import the entire population of pakistan and India. That might do it. We had better get everybody but one person to leave the country then, since apparently the size of the cake somehow never changes when population increases :P. Your made up stat is just as skewed as anything else posted here. I doubt anyone truly knows the full benefit or otherwise of immigration, though of course people on both sides will claim how obvious it is that it's a positive or negative financially and otherwise. Typically I find it has more to do with who people want to live next door to. How people view their identity and so on. Edited by imbored (19 Mar 2015 5.08pm) If we have more people, we can make more cakes!
Unfortunately not. You need money to buy the ingredients.
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| TheJudge 19 Mar 15 6.41pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 19 Mar 2015 6.35pm
Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 6.27pm
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Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 10.47pm
Sorry bout the source, but some interesting points. *Awaits it's just lefty bulls*** response without salient arguments against the points it raises.
Does anyone believe that statistics are free from political bias any more ? Or even that the data is reliable in the first place. Apply common sense for a change. If you have a cake and 1 person eats it they have the whole cake. If 5 people eat it there is less for everyone. Absorb that statistic. We just can't afford more cakes and our increasing debt should tell you that. Considering that immigration is so "good" for the country it is odd that we are in so much debt. Maybe we should import the entire population of pakistan and India. That might do it. We had better get everybody but one person to leave the country then, since apparently the size of the cake somehow never changes when population increases :P. Your made up stat is just as skewed as anything else posted here. I doubt anyone truly knows the full benefit or otherwise of immigration, though of course people on both sides will claim how obvious it is that it's a positive or negative financially and otherwise. Typically I find it has more to do with who people want to live next door to. How people view their identity and so on. Edited by imbored (19 Mar 2015 5.08pm) If we have more people, we can make more cakes!
Unfortunately not. You need money to buy the ingredients.
Oh of course. It's the Tory's fault. Lol. Lucky we have all those immigrants to keeping our heads above water.
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 crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 19 Mar 15 8.38pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 6.41pm
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Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 10.47pm
Sorry bout the source, but some interesting points. *Awaits it's just lefty bulls*** response without salient arguments against the points it raises.
Does anyone believe that statistics are free from political bias any more ? Or even that the data is reliable in the first place. Apply common sense for a change. If you have a cake and 1 person eats it they have the whole cake. If 5 people eat it there is less for everyone. Absorb that statistic. We just can't afford more cakes and our increasing debt should tell you that. Considering that immigration is so "good" for the country it is odd that we are in so much debt. Maybe we should import the entire population of pakistan and India. That might do it. We had better get everybody but one person to leave the country then, since apparently the size of the cake somehow never changes when population increases :P. Your made up stat is just as skewed as anything else posted here. I doubt anyone truly knows the full benefit or otherwise of immigration, though of course people on both sides will claim how obvious it is that it's a positive or negative financially and otherwise. Typically I find it has more to do with who people want to live next door to. How people view their identity and so on. Edited by imbored (19 Mar 2015 5.08pm) If we have more people, we can make more cakes!
Unfortunately not. You need money to buy the ingredients.
Oh of course. It's the Tory's fault. Lol. Lucky we have all those immigrants to keeping our heads above water. Of course, the GLOBAL crash wasn't the Tories doing, any more than it was Labour's; the clue is in the term that is used! However, by 2010 the UK economy was in recovery, which was stalled due to the chronic cuts that Nick mentions. And as Osborne has met absolutely none of the targets he set himself, I'd also class him as inept. What cannot be disputed is that the UK population is ageing, not as fast perhaps as Italy or Germany, but at an unsustainable rate nonetheless. The birth rate has increased in recent years as well, giving rise to a double whammy, more pensioners, living for longer, and more children in education. Neither of these groups pay much in taxes and take a high proportion of benefits. State pensions already account for more than 50% of the welfare budget and this is set to increase to over 65% over the next 12 years. To afford to support the demographic changes the UK, in common with a number of other countries, needs to either a)increase taxes greatly, b) cut pensions, child benefits massively and cut the education budget, or c) increase the number of working taxpayers. The first two options don't look too good to me, maybe the third is the lesser "evil"? Japan, a country far more insular than the UK has been historically, is beginning to encourage immigrants for exactly the above reasons.
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| TUX redhill 19 Mar 15 10.35pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 19 Mar 2015 6.35pm
Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 6.27pm
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Quote TheJudge at 19 Mar 2015 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 10.47pm
Sorry bout the source, but some interesting points. *Awaits it's just lefty bulls*** response without salient arguments against the points it raises.
Does anyone believe that statistics are free from political bias any more ? Or even that the data is reliable in the first place. Apply common sense for a change. If you have a cake and 1 person eats it they have the whole cake. If 5 people eat it there is less for everyone. Absorb that statistic. We just can't afford more cakes and our increasing debt should tell you that. Considering that immigration is so "good" for the country it is odd that we are in so much debt. Maybe we should import the entire population of pakistan and India. That might do it. We had better get everybody but one person to leave the country then, since apparently the size of the cake somehow never changes when population increases :P. Your made up stat is just as skewed as anything else posted here. I doubt anyone truly knows the full benefit or otherwise of immigration, though of course people on both sides will claim how obvious it is that it's a positive or negative financially and otherwise. Typically I find it has more to do with who people want to live next door to. How people view their identity and so on. Edited by imbored (19 Mar 2015 5.08pm) If we have more people, we can make more cakes!
Unfortunately not. You need money to buy the ingredients.
Because every pound that the Govt has ever borrowed from 'The Bank of England' is loaded with interest. It's not our bank just as the Federal Reserve is not the Americans bank. Privately owned and raping the public for years. ''Carlsberg don't lend money, but if they did..............'' We'll never be out of debt.
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| TheJudge 20 Mar 15 10.18am |
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All we see in the news now are problems directly related to immigrants and their offspring. This was totally predictable. If the financial benefit is so hard to demonstrate, it is surely a policy that was more trouble that it is worth. It is totally out of control. The bottom line is that Britain's politics and culture is being altered by a ever growing minority of ethnic population. We need to recognise that. There are a multitude of problems in the pipeline. There are so many elephants in this room that it has become a circus.
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| Hoof Hearted 20 Mar 15 10.25am | |
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Quote nickgusset at 19 Mar 2015 6.35pm
Why are we in debt? Erm global crash followed by chronic cuts and massive underinvestment from an inept Chancellor.
For the previous 13 years the inept Labour Chancellors allowed spending to spiral out of control... all Osborne has done is to rein it back in!
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 20 Mar 15 10.39am |
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Quote TUX at 19 Mar 2015 10.35pm
We'll never be out of debt. Someone's been watching two-bit American conspiracy theory videos on YouTube. The Fed is "owned" by commercial banks (actually, it's not really, it's split up into 12 reserve banks which are somewhere between "private" and "public" Except "ownership" doesn't really mean anything in a central banking context, because "owning" a bank means nothing if it comes with no rights or influence and you legally have to do whatever the central bank or government tells you to do. And I suggest you look up the way fractional-reserve banking works before you make financially illiterate comments like, "Because every pound that the Govt has ever borrowed from 'The Bank of England' is loaded with interest." The Bank of England creates credit - on behalf of its "owners", ie, HM government - to keep the whole financial system going. The "debt" the government has to the Bank of England isn't the problem. The problem is the stuff we owe to foreigners (eg, the few hundred billion pounds sterling the Chinese have got stashed away).
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 20 Mar 15 10.40am |
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Quote crystal balls at 19 Mar 2015 8.38pm
To afford to support the demographic changes the UK, in common with a number of other countries, needs to either a)increase taxes greatly, b) cut pensions, child benefits massively and cut the education budget, or c) increase the number of working taxpayers. The first two options don't look too good to me, maybe the third is the lesser "evil"? Japan, a country far more insular than the UK has been historically, is beginning to encourage immigrants for exactly the above reasons. Viable options would have to combine at least two and possibly all 3. But most obviously pension benefits need to be cut. Have to be cut. It just has to happen. But no politician is going to sign their own P45. So it probably won't.
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| imbored UK 20 Mar 15 12.19pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Mar 2015 10.18am
All we see in the news now are problems directly related to immigrants and their offspring. This was totally predictable. If the financial benefit is so hard to demonstrate, it is surely a policy that was more trouble that it is worth. It is totally out of control. The bottom line is that Britain's politics and culture is being altered by a ever growing minority of ethnic population. We need to recognise that. There are a multitude of problems in the pipeline. There are so many elephants in this room that it has become a circus. You think that all of our problems are because of immigrants? Well that sounds like a convenient thing to believe doesn't it.
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| TheJudge 20 Mar 15 2.13pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Mar 2015 10.18am
All we see in the news now are problems directly related to immigrants and their offspring. This was totally predictable. If the financial benefit is so hard to demonstrate, it is surely a policy that was more trouble that it is worth. It is totally out of control. The bottom line is that Britain's politics and culture is being altered by a ever growing minority of ethnic population. We need to recognise that. There are a multitude of problems in the pipeline. There are so many elephants in this room that it has become a circus. You think that all of our problems are because of immigrants? Well that sounds like a convenient thing to believe doesn't it.
I would say that many of Britain's current problems like domestic terrorism, violent crime levels, housing shortages, medical care shortages, religious and cultural division would all be far less significant if immigration had been curtailed . Some would not exist at all, like honour killings, people trafficking, slavery, fake marriages,forced marriages etc No one white wants to talk about it Edited by TheJudge (20 Mar 2015 2.14pm)
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| ghosteagle 20 Mar 15 2.21pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Mar 2015 10.18am
All we see in the news now are problems directly related to immigrants and their offspring. This was totally predictable. If the financial benefit is so hard to demonstrate, it is surely a policy that was more trouble that it is worth. It is totally out of control. The bottom line is that Britain's politics and culture is being altered by a ever growing minority of ethnic population. We need to recognise that. There are a multitude of problems in the pipeline. There are so many elephants in this room that it has become a circus. You think that all of our problems are because of immigrants? Well that sounds like a convenient thing to believe doesn't it.
I would say that many of Britain's current problems like domestic terrorism, violent crime levels, housing shortages, medical care shortages, religious and cultural division would all be far less significant if immigration had been curtailed . Some would not exist at all, like honour killings, people trafficking, slavery, fake marriages,forced marriages etc No one white wants to talk about it Edited by TheJudge (20 Mar 2015 2.14pm) No one wants to talk to you. Or your tinfoil hat.
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| TheJudge 20 Mar 15 2.43pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 20 Mar 2015 2.21pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Mar 2015 2.13pm
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Mar 2015 10.18am
All we see in the news now are problems directly related to immigrants and their offspring. This was totally predictable. If the financial benefit is so hard to demonstrate, it is surely a policy that was more trouble that it is worth. It is totally out of control. The bottom line is that Britain's politics and culture is being altered by a ever growing minority of ethnic population. We need to recognise that. There are a multitude of problems in the pipeline. There are so many elephants in this room that it has become a circus. You think that all of our problems are because of immigrants? Well that sounds like a convenient thing to believe doesn't it.
I would say that many of Britain's current problems like domestic terrorism, violent crime levels, housing shortages, medical care shortages, religious and cultural division would all be far less significant if immigration had been curtailed . Some would not exist at all, like honour killings, people trafficking, slavery, fake marriages,forced marriages etc No one white wants to talk about it Edited by TheJudge (20 Mar 2015 2.14pm) No one wants to talk to you. Or your tinfoil hat. That's the spirit.
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