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cryrst The garden of England 26 Sep 19 2.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Rubbish. That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow. Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will. They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal. If they refused then my ire would join yours. Literally you just said it would be May's deal. Now it's a tweaked May's deal.
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The garden of England 26 Sep 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Rubbish.

That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow.

Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will.

They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal.

If they refused then my ire would join yours.

Literally you just said it would be May's deal.
Now it's a tweaked May's deal.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 2.19pm
Originally posted by W12 So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side: Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die" Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit" Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person" At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly) Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls. Hypocrites Upon my face fell a grin of rapt adoration on perusing this post.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by W12

So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side:

Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die"
Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit"
Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail
Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon
Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting
Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence
Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person"
At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch
Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson

Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid
The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign
Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly)

Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls.

Hypocrites

Upon my face fell a grin of rapt adoration on perusing this post.

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Lyons550 Shirley 26 Sep 19 2.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!! No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job. Do you not also feel that they're being wound up by MP's not supporting the vote of their constituencies? ....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role If they choose to ignore their electorate then they shouldnt be shocked when people start getting irate with them. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 26 Sep 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!!

No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job.

Do you not also feel that they're being wound up by MP's not supporting the vote of their constituencies?

....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role

If they choose to ignore their electorate then they shouldnt be shocked when people start getting irate with them.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 2.22pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 ....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role What's that then? I must have missed it
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26 Sep 19 2.22pm

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Originally posted by Lyons550

....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role

What's that then? I must have missed it

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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 19 2.54pm
Yet another Commons defeat for 'the incredible hulk'. That's 7-0. Cross-party support? Now? Do me a favour......
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Croydon 26 Sep 19 2.54pm

Yet another Commons defeat for 'the incredible hulk'.

That's 7-0.

Cross-party support? Now?

Do me a favour......

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W12 26 Sep 19 2.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense. Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country. Populism = what people want That's why it's popular Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm)
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W12 26 Sep 19 2.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense.

Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country.

Populism = what people want

That's why it's popular

Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm)

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop? Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not. My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering. Bulls***! No honesty and no integrity in the whole lot or them! Edited by the silurian (26 Sep 2019 3.11pm)
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The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop?

Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not.

My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering.

Bulls***!

No honesty and no integrity in the whole lot or them!

Edited by the silurian (26 Sep 2019 3.11pm)

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It does, but it's not the subject. or it doesn't suit your agenda ??
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It does, but it's not the subject.

or it doesn't suit your agenda
??

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Matov 26 Sep 19 3.17pm
Originally posted by W12 Populism = what people want That's why it's popular Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm) Quite. Saw some Remainer Retard being interviewed about Corbyn and he was defending him by saying that the reason JC was not popular was that he was not doing populist things. Surely the point of a democracy is that you do popular things? Like enacting the votes of 52% of people who voted for Leave? That is why their stance of a second referendum with Remain as an option is so insane. If the first one has been ignored then why should a second have any credibility what so ever? That is the madness and the stupidity of the Remainer side. Support the Lib Dem position of Revoke because that is the one that is credible. Parliament does not have to take any notice of a referendum. Advisory only. And by ignoring the one held on June 23rd, all subsequent ones become farcical. Doing far more harm than good because nobody will accept the outcome if it does not suit. That ship will have well and truly sailed. Democracy is, when all is boiled down, a 'populist' method of choosing how we are governed. Ignore that and you are left with dictatorship. Edited by Matov (26 Sep 2019 3.18pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

26 Sep 19 3.17pm

Originally posted by W12

Populism = what people want

That's why it's popular

Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm)

Quite. Saw some Remainer Retard being interviewed about Corbyn and he was defending him by saying that the reason JC was not popular was that he was not doing populist things.

Surely the point of a democracy is that you do popular things? Like enacting the votes of 52% of people who voted for Leave?

That is why their stance of a second referendum with Remain as an option is so insane. If the first one has been ignored then why should a second have any credibility what so ever?

That is the madness and the stupidity of the Remainer side. Support the Lib Dem position of Revoke because that is the one that is credible. Parliament does not have to take any notice of a referendum. Advisory only. And by ignoring the one held on June 23rd, all subsequent ones become farcical. Doing far more harm than good because nobody will accept the outcome if it does not suit. That ship will have well and truly sailed.

Democracy is, when all is boiled down, a 'populist' method of choosing how we are governed. Ignore that and you are left with dictatorship.

Edited by Matov (26 Sep 2019 3.18pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 19 3.34pm
Populism is dictatorship. For some unfathomable reason, people persist in needing and believing that someone, often a complete dickhead, is going to solve all their problems, no matter how ridiculous. Of course Hitler comes to mind, but at least Germans had serious problems. Nowadays they just make it all up. Like those we recognise as dictators they just ignore the electors anyway and are frequently not elected. But the public just roll over can't face that they have been had again. Until the next liar comes along for them to hero-worship.
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Croydon 26 Sep 19 3.34pm

Populism is dictatorship.

For some unfathomable reason, people persist in needing and believing that someone, often a complete dickhead, is going to solve all their problems, no matter how ridiculous.

Of course Hitler comes to mind, but at least Germans had serious problems.

Nowadays they just make it all up.

Like those we recognise as dictators they just ignore the electors anyway and are frequently not elected.

But the public just roll over can't face that they have been had again.

Until the next liar comes along for them to hero-worship.

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W12 26 Sep 19 3.39pm
Labour MP just stood up in parliament and claimed that people voted for Brexit because of austerity. How out of touch are these people?
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W12 26 Sep 19 3.39pm

Labour MP just stood up in parliament and claimed that people voted for Brexit because of austerity.

How out of touch are these people?

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 26 Sep 19 3.46pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Populism is dictatorship. For some unfathomable reason, people persist in needing and believing that someone, often a complete dickhead, is going to solve all their problems, no matter how ridiculous. Of course Hitler comes to mind, but at least Germans had serious problems. Nowadays they just make it all up. Like those we recognise as dictators they just ignore the electors anyway and are frequently not elected. But the public just roll over can't face that they have been had again. Until the next liar comes along for them to hero-worship. NURSE, the screens, and bring the sedative.
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sickboy

Deal or Croydon 26 Sep 19 3.46pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Populism is dictatorship.

For some unfathomable reason, people persist in needing and believing that someone, often a complete dickhead, is going to solve all their problems, no matter how ridiculous.

Of course Hitler comes to mind, but at least Germans had serious problems.

Nowadays they just make it all up.

Like those we recognise as dictators they just ignore the electors anyway and are frequently not elected.

But the public just roll over can't face that they have been had again.

Until the next liar comes along for them to hero-worship.

NURSE, the screens, and bring the sedative.

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