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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 23 8.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Quite possibly. There was a genuine concern of a complete collapse. Not a concern which stopped junior doctors and consultants from going on strike.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not a concern which stopped junior doctors and consultants from going on strike. This year. Not during the height of the pandemic. I am no supporter of strike action by health professionals by the way, even though my wife is one.
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eaglesdare 11 Nov 23 11.59pm | |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
You walked right into the end of my jab there pal. When have we ever been in a headache pandemic? Come on plumton! We were in a pandemic. Most people just had a headache when they got covid.....and they called it a pandemic.... Lol
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eaglesdare 12 Nov 23 12.01am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Most people just had a headache when they got covid.....and they called it a pandemic.... Lol Sorry I meant sniffle...
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eaglesdare 12 Nov 23 12.59am | |
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Over 80,000 health professionals in england refused the jab. I remember supporting them up London. Fantastic day.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 23 10.50pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Over 80,000 health professionals in england refused the jab. I remember supporting them up London. Fantastic day. I have no idea where you get that figure from. Most health care professionals understand the benefits of vaccination very well, as well as the additional risks they run in their jobs. There were some who were vocal about the initial mandate placed on them, which was withdrawn when things began to calm down so as to avoid losing staff. They were moved to non contact roles. My wife, who is a nurse, was unsure at first because it was so new and she had been reading some of the scaremongering. Her hospital made great efforts to explain and reassure and she is now not only fully vaccinated she is administering the vaccines on occasions. You might be confusing health care professionals with those who work for the NHS in support roles. These are not front line workers and are going to have the same levels of anxiety, reluctance and propensity to gullibility as other groups of workers. Indeed they are likely to have more than average, given the higher than average levels of ethnic minorities employed in support roles. It is a fact that a greater level of distrust existed in many of the ethnic minority groups, often fed by the way they regard authority. So it has taken time and effort to overcome reluctance and reassure people. I don’t know what the figures are now.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 23 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Most people just had a headache when they got covid.....and they called it a pandemic.... Lol Lots had no symptoms at all. Some though got very sick and needed a great deal of care. Some died. Most people drive every day without having an accident. Some though do, and end up in hospital. Some die. Does the fact that most don’t have accidents mean we have no need to take sensible precautions on the roads?
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eaglesdare 12 Nov 23 11.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no idea where you get that figure from. Most health care professionals understand the benefits of vaccination very well, as well as the additional risks they run in their jobs. There were some who were vocal about the initial mandate placed on them, which was withdrawn when things began to calm down so as to avoid losing staff. They were moved to non contact roles. My wife, who is a nurse, was unsure at first because it was so new and she had been reading some of the scaremongering. Her hospital made great efforts to explain and reassure and she is now not only fully vaccinated she is administering the vaccines on occasions. You might be confusing health care professionals with those who work for the NHS in support roles. These are not front line workers and are going to have the same levels of anxiety, reluctance and propensity to gullibility as other groups of workers. Indeed they are likely to have more than average, given the higher than average levels of ethnic minorities employed in support roles. It is a fact that a greater level of distrust existed in many of the ethnic minority groups, often fed by the way they regard authority. So it has taken time and effort to overcome reluctance and reassure people. I don’t know what the figures are now.
- NHS doctor tells Health Secretary he won't get jabbed
Edited by eaglesdare (12 Nov 2023 11.05pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Nov 23 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
- NHS doctor tells Health Secretary he won't get jabbed
Edited by eaglesdare (12 Nov 2023 11.05pm) That was early on when the education campaign was only just starting. Of course you will find “freedom of choice” advocates in every walk of life. This guy was arguing from the narrow perspective that as he already had anti-bodies he didn’t need the vaccine. He wasn’t arguing against the vaccines themselves, unlike yourself. He was though still part of a small minority. I asked where the 80,000 assertion comes from, as I don’t recognise it or believe it. Please provide your source and confirm this is for health care professionals (your original claim) and not just those who work within the NHS, which is very different. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Nov 2023 8.54am)
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eaglesdare 13 Nov 23 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That was early on when the education campaign was only just starting. Of course you will find “freedom of choice” advocates in every walk of life. This guy was arguing from the narrow perspective that as he already had anti-bodies he didn’t need the vaccine. He wasn’t arguing against the vaccines themselves, unlike yourself. He was though still part of a small minority. I asked where the 80,000 assertion comes from, as I don’t recognise it or believe it. Please provide your source and confirm this is for health care professionals (your original claim) and not just those who work within the NHS, which is very different. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Nov 2023 8.54am) "NHS data shows that there are currently 1.48 million health care workers employed by trusts in England. With 1.39 million first doses delivered to staff, that leaves 81,626 completely unvaccinated." It's even "fact checked"
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Nov 23 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
"NHS data shows that there are currently 1.48 million health care workers employed by trusts in England. With 1.39 million first doses delivered to staff, that leaves 81,626 completely unvaccinated." It's even "fact checked" I thought so. That's the total number of the NHS workforce NOT the health care professionals which is what you claimed. They include all the administration staff, lab technicians, pharmacists, maintenance workers, security staff, porters, cleaners, caterers and drivers. Of these, a higher than average proportion come from the ethnic minority communities who were known to have had a greater vaccine reluctance at that stage of the pandemic. 30,000 had medical exemptions at that time, which was almost 2 years ago when the mandate was still operative and the education programme in its infancy. It would be interesting to see comparative figures today. From all I know the education effort worked very well and the level of reluctance is now no higher than is found amongst any group of workers. If you think this justifies your stance, let alone proves anything much it doesn't. All it proves is that uninformed and gullible people exist everywhere. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Nov 2023 12.40pm)
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eaglesdare 13 Nov 23 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I thought so. That's the total number of the NHS workforce NOT the health care professionals which is what you claimed. They include all the administration staff, lab technicians, pharmacists, maintenance workers, security staff, porters, cleaners, caterers and drivers. Of these, a higher than average proportion come from the ethnic minority communities who were known to have had a greater vaccine reluctance at that stage of the pandemic. 30,000 had medical exemptions at that time, which was almost 2 years ago when the mandate was still operative and the education programme in its infancy. It would be interesting to see comparative figures today. From all I know the education effort worked very well and the level of reluctance is now no higher than is found amongst any group of workers. If you think this justifies your stance, let alone proves anything much it doesn't. All it proves is that uninformed and gullible people exist everywhere. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Nov 2023 12.40pm) A slight typo on my behalf as it was off the top of my head Instead of health professionals it was health care worker. But so what? My point was the exact same. Over 80,000 healthcare professionals sorry I mean healthcare workers....refused the jab and government backed down. And rightly so. This also included nurses and doctors and anyone working in healthcare. The guy in the video I provided was not just a "guy" he was a doctor.
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