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 NICK THE EAGLE  Coulsdon 05 Nov 20 6.29pm |
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Planning meeting taking place as we speak. I believe we are number 8 on the agenda
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| dorking 05 Nov 20 8.06pm |
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It went through, planning permission can now be issued by Croydon Council (as soon as CPFC sign the S106)
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| Spiderman Horsham 05 Nov 20 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by dorking
It went through, planning permission can now be issued by Croydon Council (as soon as CPFC sign the S106) What about the housing issue, how has that been sorted?
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| dorking 05 Nov 20 9.42pm |
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The order it has all got to be done is set out, yes. Once CPFC sign the S106 agreement, they get the permission in hand, then it's a case of giving the Council 12 months notice we want to buy the land the Wooderson Close houses are on. Then things really get moving in terms of finding new homes for the residents, building new replacement houses somewhere else, and buying up some of Saino's land. This is just one small step, but the most important one so far.
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jeeagles  05 Nov 20 11.34pm |
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Originally posted by dorking
The order it has all got to be done is set out, yes. Once CPFC sign the S106 agreement, they get the permission in hand, then it's a case of giving the Council 12 months notice we want to buy the land the Wooderson Close houses are on. Then things really get moving in terms of finding new homes for the residents, building new replacement houses somewhere else, and buying up some of Saino's land. This is just one small step, but the most important one so far. Sainsbury's car park appears to be in the land plan. Does that mean the club might have bought it already. There is a chance of getting spades in the ground in less than two years if the eviction goes quickly and work on the replacement houses goes on concurrently. But I doubt that.
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Attachment: IMilburn  Chiang Rai / Rayong 06 Nov 20 9.30am |
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No it doesn't mean the club has bought it. You can obtain planning permission on land you don't own, as long as you notify the owner that you are applying. Originally posted by jeeagles
Sainsbury's car park appears to be in the land plan. Does that mean the club might have bought it already. There is a chance of getting spades in the ground in less than two years if the eviction goes quickly and work on the replacement houses goes on concurrently. But I doubt that.
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| The Beger Croydon 06 Nov 20 11.15am |
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| Pete53 Hassocks 06 Nov 20 11.28am |
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Originally posted by NICK THE EAGLE
Planning meeting taking place as we speak. I believe we are number 8 on the agenda A bit like Match of the Day then
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| TheBigToePunt 06 Nov 20 2.34pm |
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Speaking as a planning professional (and having never worked for Croydon Council or CPFC) the interesting thing here is the small print of the Section 106 legal agreement. The S106 is the contract between CPFC and the Council on which the planning permission is dependant, and this one doesn't seem particularly daunting. In fact, it seems to contain terms entirely reasonable to CPFC, given the money in the league, the overall cost of the stand etc. A couple of things stand out therefore. The delay between CC's original resolution to grant planning permission and the S106 now being agreed is circa two and a half years. Negotiations over CPFCs financial and other contributions will have been taking place over that period of course, but it's still a long time considering how little the club actually has to pay out. The reason for the delay isn't obvious to me, especially given that CPFC has to give CC 12 months notice before they can buy the Wooderson houses. Even if we agree a price with Sainsbury's today, we can't begin to build until this time next year. I wonder if the club felt that by getting the planning permission tied up they were weakening their stance with Sainsburys somehow? Hard to see how though. Now that we have a deal the Council and Mayor of London feel is in the interests of the area, it may be an option for the Council to forcibly purchase the Sainsbury's land and sell it to CPFC, if CPFC cannot reach a deal with Sainsbury's amicably. A Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) isn't a quick fix, isn't cheap and is not commonly used, but if the Council feel the public interest is served by the development proceeding and Sainsbury's are the obstacle, it could be an option. Dorking, I know you have been following this far more closely, perhaps you can assist?
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| Eaglecoops CR3 06 Nov 20 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Speaking as a planning professional (and having never worked for Croydon Council or CPFC) the interesting thing here is the small print of the Section 106 legal agreement. The S106 is the contract between CPFC and the Council on which the planning permission is dependant, and this one doesn't seem particularly daunting. In fact, it seems to contain terms entirely reasonable to CPFC, given the money in the league, the overall cost of the stand etc. A couple of things stand out therefore. The delay between CC's original resolution to grant planning permission and the S106 now being agreed is circa two and a half years. Negotiations over CPFCs financial and other contributions will have been taking place over that period of course, but it's still a long time considering how little the club actually has to pay out. The reason for the delay isn't obvious to me, especially given that CPFC has to give CC 12 months notice before they can buy the Wooderson houses. Even if we agree a price with Sainsbury's today, we can't begin to build until this time next year. I wonder if the club felt that by getting the planning permission tied up they were weakening their stance with Sainsburys somehow? Hard to see how though. Now that we have a deal the Council and Mayor of London feel is in the interests of the area, it may be an option for the Council to forcibly purchase the Sainsbury's land and sell it to CPFC, if CPFC cannot reach a deal with Sainsbury's amicably. A Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) isn't a quick fix, isn't cheap and is not commonly used, but if the Council feel the public interest is served by the development proceeding and Sainsbury's are the obstacle, it could be an option. Dorking, I know you have been following this far more closely, perhaps you can assist? It’s a long time since I have dealt with CPOs but IMO utilising CPO powers could ultimately prove cheaper for Palace. At the moment it’s effectively a ransom strip of land that prevents development and as such Sainsbury’s surveyors will be playing on that and will want top money. If a CPO is served by the council then the land will be valued on a different basis. What could also happen is Palace buy the land under threat of a CPO or they may even enter into a long term agreement with regard to the future of the store and the Sainsbury’s stand. You would hope given the time they have been working on this that negotiations with Sainsbury’s would be near complete but it is Palace we are talking about so no-one has probably picked up the phone yet.
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| fastbikes Caterham 06 Nov 20 9.28pm |
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Now get on with
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| dorking 06 Nov 20 10.31pm |
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I agree - a CPO is a very handy back up for CPFC if they can't get the Sainsburys car park for the price they need. Throughout the whole saga, the club have talked about a sliver of car park land, but to be honest, in the long run, Palace taking ownership of the whole of the Supermarket car park would be the easiest solution. I say this because during the construction, the huge steel roof crossmember has to be put together and laid out, and it will extend way beyond the 'football club' car park. There is also the long term issue that CPFC will need full use of the 'supermarket' car park from 3 hours before kick off before every home game (because the 'club' car park becomes a 'Fan Plaza' on match days (apart from circa 20 spaces for players and 'VVIP's'). The supermarket car park will be needed for hospitality parking, coach parking and disabled parking. Sainsbury's effectively having no car park for 3 hours before every home game is going to make their store less viable on what is often their main trading day (Saturday) It'll be a busy next 12 months, even if we hear relatively little publicly, and it all takes place behind the scenes
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