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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.29am | |
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Of course the detailed analysis of the excess deaths is continuing but the underlying reason is well understood. It’s Covid. Uncomfortable fact though it might be for some.
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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 9.36am | |
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While study is still going on the reality is that the vast majority of excess deaths are not from covid but are probably from the affects of Lockdowns that people like him supported like an utter zealot. I and many others said that the cure was worse than the disease and it gives me no pleasure to watch that come true. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 9.36am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
The articles just keep on comming..... "The real Covid jab scandal is finally emerging What is this supposed to prove that we don’t already know? We know that there are some who suffer side effects. We knew there would be. We know that the AZ vaccine was subsequently withdrawn for use for younger age groups because other vaccines were available that showed even fewer side effects. We know the right wing newspapers like to write scare stories. We know that some people are gullible enough to believe them. Nothing to see here.
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eaglesdare 11 Nov 23 9.46am | |
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For those with no access to the link the article goes on to say... “Lisa thought getting the jab was the right thing to do as everybody did,” Gareth recalls, “The Government kept saying it was safe and effective. We didn’t know there were other countries that were withdrawing the AstraZeneca.” Ah, yes, “safe and effective”. How many times did we hear Cabinet ministers intone that reassuring mantra? Yet, use of the word “safe” by any pharmaceutical company advertising a product had been banned for years for exactly that reason – it is misleadingly reassuring. (The Government seems to think the rules didn’t prevent it saying “safe and effective” because it wasn’t advertising a specific product: a Mandy Rice Davis if ever I heard one.)" Edited by eaglesdare (11 Nov 2023 9.46am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.48am | |
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The lockdowns could not have caused any deaths directly. They prevented deaths by reducing travel, whilst possibly increasing the suicide rate. The lockdowns were only imposed because of Covid. The health services, already under strain, were forced to postpone elective treatments and consultations resulting in missed diagnosis. People decided not to overload the service and failed to consult. Long Covid, and its impact, is only now revealing itself. Every one was caused by Covid. Covid was solely responsible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
For those with no access to the link the article goes on to say... “Lisa thought getting the jab was the right thing to do as everybody did,” Gareth recalls, “The Government kept saying it was safe and effective. We didn’t know there were other countries that were withdrawing the AstraZeneca.” Ah, yes, “safe and effective”. How many times did we hear Cabinet ministers intone that reassuring mantra? Yet, use of the word “safe” by any pharmaceutical company advertising a product had been banned for years for exactly that reason – it is misleadingly reassuring. (The Government seems to think the rules didn’t prevent it saying “safe and effective” because it wasn’t advertising a specific product: a Mandy Rice Davis if ever I heard one.)" Edited by eaglesdare (11 Nov 2023 9.46am) Of course they are safe!,, Safe doesn’t mean risk free. Cars and trains are safe ways to travel. Getting out of bed is safe. How the word is to be used in advertising is a matter for the regulators to determine. Sometimes better words are available in some circumstances. That some took the word to indicate, especially in hindsight after a tragedy, that it means risk free is unfortunate. Those who are not impacted by tragedy but agree with them, are gullible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 10.14am | |
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“The cure was worse than the disease “ is a frequently made claim by those who oppose lockdowns. The truth is this is an assumption. A assumption without any evidence to support it, other than some experiences in countries so different to ours as to be completely irrelevant. The truth is it could well have been much worse. The NHS could have been overwhelmed to the point of collapse. The vaccines could have been delayed or, less likely, failed completely. The death toll could have been huge. The economic disruption very much worse, as people were either dead, or unable to work. Schools could have been forced to close because of a lack of staff. Our mistake seems to have been not that we locked down but that we were indecisive in adopting a suppression strategy. Had we done so a little earlier, we could have eased off much earlier, thus causing less harm. We don’t know because we only did what we did. Hindsight is only wonderful if you can actually see anything.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 23 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The lockdowns could not have caused any deaths directly. They prevented deaths by reducing travel, whilst possibly increasing the suicide rate. The lockdowns were only imposed because of Covid. The health services, already under strain, were forced to postpone elective treatments and consultations resulting in missed diagnosis. People decided not to overload the service and failed to consult. Long Covid, and its impact, is only now revealing itself. Every one was caused by Covid. Covid was solely responsible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 1.28pm | |
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Who protect us. They were and they did. What we are seeing now is the impact of the pandemic, but modified by the lockdowns. Which is bad, but would have been much worse without them. The NHS was already under strain, which was forecasted to get worse without Covid adding to it.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 23 1.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who protect us. They were and they did. What we are seeing now is the impact of the pandemic, but modified by the lockdowns. Which is bad, but would have been much worse without them. The NHS was already under strain, which was forecasted to get worse without Covid adding to it. Much worse than waiting lists having an extra 3.5m people on them in three years?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 8.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Much worse than waiting lists having an extra 3.5m people on them in three years? Quite possibly. There was a genuine concern of a complete collapse.
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BrentisBack Beckenham 11 Nov 23 8.43pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
People are not and were not forced or mandated against their will or locked out of society to take aspirin which is not an experimental drug. An inconvenient truth indeed. You walked right into the end of my jab there pal. When have we ever been in a headache pandemic? Come on plumton! We were in a pandemic.
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