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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 19 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This isn't entirely true. The mooted common defence policy, again if you do some reading, is very very different to a Federal army. Also, any treaty that forced all member states to sign up to an EU Army system would never pass. Yes, on something as sensitive as eliminating member states independent armed forces, there would be vetos, and it would need to be 100% agreed, at least to implement it as a EU wide policy. To say otherwise is unrealistic, fantasy and fearmongering. I assume you're referring to the Lisbon treaty, the facts of which have been massively abused by various influencers for the usual ad clicks and follows. Main points being • The UK also doesn’t have to participate in EU legislation relating to justice and home affairs, but can choose to opt-in if it wants to. • On issues that require unanimity, it’s the case that simply abstaining from a vote does not stop it passing (the Lisbon Treaty did not change this), but states can still veto by voting against. • The UK still has an opt out on the Euro • Nowhere in the Lisbon treaty is an 'EU Army' or 'Federal Army' mentioned. To add, given the significant amount of grief this entire process has caused politics and politicians, if you really believe that a UK govt would simply go 'Yeah, alright, let's do it without telling anyone', surely you're mad. Or a little too partisan, at least on this particular issue. The public feeling on retaining our own identity, let alone currency/army, would be loud and challenging. Whoever passed those little doozys without so much as a thought to due process would be voted out straightaway. It would be political suicide. Far too much common sense and basic fact there for most on here! The idea that "never mind the facts it's all going to happen anyway" truly is "Project Fear".
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Midlands Eagle 25 Sep 19 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Boris bus' maker Wrightbus goes into administration Another day of Johnson, another disaster. Are you Pussay Patrol sneaking back with a different user name as all he ever posted was shyte?
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Midlands Eagle 25 Sep 19 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Damn. Hoisted by my own petard
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 1.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well their age group drove Brexit. What does that tell us? Proof?
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
She did no more and no less than her constitutional duty. She followed the advice given to her, as by convention she must, and it is that advice alone that has been determined as illegal. So I don't believe she is involved in any way. Surely you mean unlawful? The rest of your post I agree with
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 1.40pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Boris bus' maker Wrightbus goes into administration Another day of Johnson, another disaster. Cant see anywhere Johnson or Brexit are to blame but please prove me wrong if I am mistaken
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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 19 1.57pm | |
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How can it possibly get any better for remain, than keeping Johnson in his post.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 19 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
How can it possibly get any better for remain, than keeping Johnson in his post.
Oh there are enough people who think he is doing the right thing in "just getting on with it" for it to be a politically valid policy. Moral, no. Wise, questionable. It's as though the spectre of Trump has infected the Tory party. It makes better sense for the Tories to leave Johnson in post than for Labour to leave Corbyn in his. Labour will never win an election with Corbyn as their leader.
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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 19 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh there are enough people who think he is doing the right thing in "just getting on with it" for it to be a politically valid policy. Moral, no. Wise, questionable. It's as though the spectre of Trump has infected the Tory party. It makes better sense for the Tories to leave Johnson in post than for Labour to leave Corbyn in his. Labour will never win an election with Corbyn as their leader. Brought to us from the 'Party of Law and Order'
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Matov 25 Sep 19 3.04pm | |
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Decided that there is no more point in getting bogged down in this. The ONLY thing that will settle it now is a General Election. Cannot see how we can leave on October 31st with the only issue being does a alliance attempt to foist a farce of a second referendum on us first or do we go straight for the main bout? Part of me actually thinks a second referendum might help Brexit long term because I suspect it will enrage so many people, and be farcical in terms of how badly it goes in terms of turn-out and Remain winning numbers (high% win but with less than 17.4 million votes) that the back-lash will propel a victory for clean-break backing MP's even bigger than if we just straight for a GE. And I suspect that Corbyn wants to avoid an election on the back of a stabbed in the back narrative. But we will see. Still interesting times but a waste of energy in terms of scuffling. We need the main match fought and fought soon. The country simply cannot carry on like this for much longer without serious long term consequences. Brexit has to come to an end, one way or the other. Edited by Matov (25 Sep 2019 3.10pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 25 Sep 19 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
f*** everyone who doesn’t respect the vote to leave. f*** you and damn you to hell.
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Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Decided that there is no more point in getting bogged down in this. The ONLY thing that will settle it now is a General Election. Cannot see how we can leave on October 31st with the only issue being does a alliance attempt to foist a farce of a second referendum on us first or do we go straight for the main bout? Part of me actually thinks a second referendum might help Brexit long term because I suspect it will enrage so many people, and be farcical in terms of how badly it goes in terms of turn-out and Remain winning numbers (high% win but with less than 17.4 million votes) that the back-lash will propel a victory for clean-break backing MP's even bigger than if we just straight for a GE. And I suspect that Corbyn wants to avoid an election on the back of a stabbed in the back narrative. But we will see. Still interesting times but a waste of energy in terms of scuffling. We need the main match fought and fought soon. The country simply cannot carry on like this for much longer without serious long term consequences. Brexit has to come to an end, one way or the other. Edited by Matov (25 Sep 2019 3.10pm) Yep....fingers crossed. I can only eat so many bags of popcorn.
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