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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 19 11.40am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is absolutely semantics.

The highest Court in the UK has spoken. You can put whatever twist you want to on it as a way of justifying your own position, as Johnson and his bunch are now doing, but there is nowhere else now to go, legally.

The only way to change the law is through Parliament and I doubt very much whether there is much support there for such a change at the moment.

So semantics and enforceable it is.

It isn’t semantics because unlawful and illegal have, as Becky highlighted, have different definitions. Had Johnson committed an illegal act he could go to prison. He didn’t. And once again he was acting on advice from the Attorney General.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 25 Sep 19 11.41am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Simple. You wouldn't be voting for either. The UK retains sovereignty and control over whether it participates in such things.

Plus, as I've mentioned before, the amusing thing is that referendums would need to be held on things like joining the Euro and signing up to an EU Army. So they'll never happen now.

BTW those who think the EU Army thing is a real and present danger should really do some reading.

For starters, we have a military veto. The EU can't propose laws about security and defence. The fantasy army would also require unanimous approval from all member states. Current operations require cooperation between individual armies from different member states. Nothing new here. The need for greater, more pro-active defence cooperation is hardly cause for concern. In fact it's perfectly reasonable and sound.

Project fear exists on both sides, let's not pretend that isn't the case.

Helpful to know some facts before getting all worked up by the latest tweet posted by our resident twitter propagandist.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 25 Sep 19 11.42am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It isn’t semantics because unlawful and illegal have, as Becky highlighted, have different definitions. Had Johnson committed an illegal act he could go to prison. He didn’t. And once again he was acting on advice from the Attorney General.

Advice that rather unusually he did not see fit to share with the rest of his cabinet.

It was a stunt, he tried his hand, he got found out. Next move.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 19 11.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Johnson isn't going to cuck on Brexit.....Let them send Johnson to prison in handcuffs.

See how that plays for them in the election.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 19 11.52am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Plus, as I've mentioned before, the amusing thing is that referendums would need to be held on things like joining the Euro and signing up to an EU Army. So they'll never happen now.

BTW those who think the EU Army thing is a real and present danger should really do some reading.

For starters, we have a military veto. The EU can't propose laws about security and defence. The fantasy army would also require unanimous approval from all member states. Current operations require cooperation between individual armies from different member states. Nothing new here. The need for greater, more pro-active defence cooperation is hardly cause for concern. In fact it's perfectly reasonable and sound.

Project fear exists on both sides, let's not pretend that isn't the case.

Helpful to know some facts before getting all worked up by the latest tweet posted by our resident twitter propagandist.

The problem you don't seem to be recognising here is that unless we leave all these 'vetos' you talk about are subject to decisions by the EU commission based upon what treaty there is. EU leaders have already made it plain that an EU military separate from NATO is how they want to go.....Are you seriously suggesting that when the time for a vote on that comes they are going to have vetos?

Pray tell me, what opportunity was the public given on any of the treaties UK governments signed up to? Yet it's clear to see that there was never popular support for most of the later ones.

Hell the public only received this referendum opportunity via a Prime Minister trying to shore up internal support....there was zero parliamentary will for giving the public a say on the EU at all.

The longer we leave...leaving as it were then the more beaten down and demographically shifted the country becomes. Unless the UK leaves now, it's not going to get that opportunity again.

Then all your talk about no EU army and veto this or veto that soon becomes antiquated.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.54am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The Attorney General did.

As he accepts. He also accepts the Judges were entirely correct to create new Law in this circumstance.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.56am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Many of them are in their seventies so it's not surprising as they may well be senile

Well their age group drove Brexit. What does that tell us?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 19 11.58am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

As he accepts. He also accepts the Judges were entirely correct to create new Law in this circumstance.

Once again. Whose legal advice should Johnson have sought if not the Attorney General?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 19 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Then Parliament should step up and take full responsibility. It has the right to ignore the result of June 23rd. That damages its credibility with absolute justification for our anger at it but at least it is taking the blame.

It does no such thing. It massively reinforces it's credibility and gives you no justification whatsoever for any anger. I am watching the opening question in Parliament as I write this and Geoffrey Cox, for the government, has said pretty much the same as me.

But to then go back to us with another referendum makes no sense what so ever. Because if it refuses to implement the first, why on earth would a second one have the slightest shred of credibility? In fact, there should be no more referendums full stop.

Total agreement with the last sentence.

However there is the option of a GE. Let the partys declare their positions (and both Labour and the Lib-Dems have dramatically changed their stances) and put themselves to the scrutiny of the electorate in a manner that is binding in terms how the HoC is made up.

I genuinely struggle to understand why anybody would object to that in these circumstances.

If you don't trust the PM and his colleagues to act legally and that they might attempt to force their own views through a backdoor then you need to be circumspect and act with due caution.

We had a referendum on our future in the EU. Parliament has refused to implement it and parties representing a huge part of its members have changed their stance. Defend that at the ballot box. Let us see Parliamentary democracy in action. Let it regain some credibility. Surely that is the most positive option available.

Wrong. Parliament has NOT refused to implement it. It has been unable to agree HOW to implement it. We will have a GE and a new Parliament will then decide whether they can agree. Let's all hope so.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 19 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Parliament, but they are not above the law. It’s really not that difficult.

It obviously is for some people!

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 25 Sep 19 12.18pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Simple. You wouldn't be voting for either. The UK retains sovereignty and control over whether it participates in such things.

Dont vote for anything/anyone....complete waste of time and effort...they will just ignore your vote if they dont like the result

 

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