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Matov 25 Sep 19 7.55am | |
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Originally posted by tome
I think the reasoning is that as much as the first referendum could be seen as 'status quo' versus 'change', it could also be seen as 'reality' versus 'myth'. Because there was no specificity to what leave would look like, it was campaigned on with vagueness and pomp, all about patriotism and control without spelling out what any of that actually meant. It therefore seems fair to arrive at a choice where both scenarios are spelt out so that people can make a choice that's actually informed. Fair? LOL. Why does a vote have to be informed? What is wrong with tossing a coin? Or making a choice based on what football team a candidate supports? Or a whole host of other factors? Do you not think it is a dangerous road to go down when people want to decide, and especially in the case of Brexit almost exclusively those who supported the losing side, when a vote is informed or not? My reasons for voting Leave are my reasons. Why should those even be questioned? Or should voting be qualified? Perhaps by a persons educational achievements? Or the amount of property they own?
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 8.06am | |
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Excellent article (await the "it's the Mail" especially the description of the main protaganists. Also interesting that Miller has backers from abroad....wonder who that can be?
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 8.08am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The problem in trying to have a "reasoned debate" with you is that no amount of reason seems to penetrate your fixed position. No matter when areas of agreement can be offered, or compromises suggested nothing changes. The post above could have been written 100 pages ago, minus the new target, the Judiciary. I know my position also remains firm but mine is based on verifiable facts some of which have now been unanimously confirmed by the highest Court in the land. I, nor I believe does anyone else, think those who hold your position are "w***ers" of the highest order". I just think you are mistaken about the way our democracy works and that your attitudes and frustrations all flow from that. Unfortunately Johnson is reinforcing those attitudes, entirely for his own reasons, in his efforts to position this as "Boris and the Brexiteers defending the people against the elite", when the truth is that it's absolutely the very opposite. This is Parliament and the law defending the people against an elite. The hard line Brexiteers are no more "the people" than Corbyn's hard liners are. Most of the 52% wouldn't have come from that group but were sucked in to that camp for a variety of reasons. Therefore to make the claims that he does, and you repeat, that the vote of the majority being betrayed is simply untrue. Pot and kettle
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Sep 19 8.10am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Against what, exactly? Bercow for starters
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DanH SW2 25 Sep 19 8.12am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The law is not meant to be involved in political decisions. This is unprecedenced. So you are literally advocating for parliament to be above the law?
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Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 8.36am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
So you are literally advocating for parliament to be above the law? No, it's a balance. The only person above the law is the Monarch.
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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 19 8.39am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
You can add three more - the Lord Chief Justice of Her Majesty walked right into this didn't she? Can she sack Johnson? She is involved now and its her own fault. A written constitution would hopefully end the monarch's role in other than PR matters.
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Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 8.47am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Her Majesty walked right into this didn't she? Can she sack Johnson? She is involved now and its her own fault. A written constitution would hopefully end the monarch's role in other than PR matters.
If the monarch's role is reduced to purely PR then that will be the gradual end of it.
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W12 25 Sep 19 8.55am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Her Majesty walked right into this didn't she? Can she sack Johnson? She is involved now and its her own fault. A written constitution would hopefully end the monarch's role in other than PR matters.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Sep 19 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
So you are literally advocating for parliament to be above the law? Well the Queen is hence the original question about sovereignty. To repeat - the Supreme Court has only existed for 10 years. As I understand it the decision would have rested with the HoL prior to then. Did that mean parliament was previously “above the law”?
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Sep 19 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I thought we’d given it to Brussels.
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Midlands Eagle 25 Sep 19 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Excellent article (await the "it's the Mail" especially the description of the main protaganists. Also interesting that Miller has backers from abroad....wonder who that can be? Excellent article whether it's in the Daily Mail or not. I did wonder yesterday if the law case was nothing to do with Brexit why the gang of looney remainers were gathered together on the steps of the court doing their victory dance
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