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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 11 Apr 20 3.53pm

So I now know my first friend to have it.

Won’t mention her name as some here know me but she’s an NHS nurse and has been all the time we have known her which is 18 years.

She’s thankfully on the mend (only found out today she had had it)

Here’s the thing,she described it as being truly awful, she said she thought she was going to die. Now this is from an experienced Irish nurse who plays down everything!

Scary indeed.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Apr 20 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

So I now know my first friend to have it.

Won’t mention her name as some here know me but she’s an NHS nurse and has been all the time we have known her which is 18 years.

She’s thankfully on the mend (only found out today she had had it)

Here’s the thing,she described it as being truly awful, she said she thought she was going to die. Now this is from an experienced Irish nurse who plays down everything!

Scary indeed.


Nursing knows but I think there's been a few professions that have been surprised to discover that they are 'key workers' during this crises.

Key workers who are being paid like the very opposite.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Apr 20 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

So I now know my first friend to have it.

Won’t mention her name as some here know me but she’s an NHS nurse and has been all the time we have known her which is 18 years.

She’s thankfully on the mend (only found out today she had had it)

Here’s the thing,she described it as being truly awful, she said she thought she was going to die. Now this is from an experienced Irish nurse who plays down everything!

Scary indeed.

Hope she fully recovers, I do not think many of the general public appreciate (or believe) how awful this can be

 

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DanH Flag SW2 11 Apr 20 4.11pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Hope she fully recovers, I do not think many of the general public appreciate (or believe) how awful this can be

Yep, hence the people still somehow not taking the lockdown seriously and people pushing ‘herd immunity’ when the amount of people requiring hospital treatment simultaneously would burst the system apart at the seams. It’s a horrible illness, that spreads rapidly and easily. Keeping people as far apart as possible is the only sensible thing to do and should have been in place sooner.

Tom - hope your friend recovers fully. Nurses are incredible and hopefully after all this is over they will get the big pay rise they have deserved for years, along with other key workers still out there on the front line.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Apr 20 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. But the wider consequences of how the world has reacted to this pandemic are almost beyond comprehension.

An economic back-lash that will probably be the worst crisis the western world has ever faced and I genuinely believe that more lives will cut short because of that than people who will die of this wretched virus.

Just a look at the stats in terms of spikes in unemployment, drops in national GDPs and the huge growth in Government debts are simply eye-watering. And I do not use that term lightly.

There is no VE day moment around this. Even if we come up with a vaccine in the next 12 months, there will be a global tetchiness that will last for the entire decade.

This is one of those tipping points that history is defined by. There is no return to the norm. Perhaps I am guilty of hyperbole but the more I try to take in what is happening, the more wary I become of what lies ahead for us all.

I agree, this reaction is unprecedented, we have never reacted this way to a virus.

A lot of people in the wider public are supporting lockdown now without really thinking about what's coming after. The stats won't be so obvious and collected every day and shouted by the media but death and suffering are the wages of the reaction just as they are the virus.

I'm more optimistic about how long this economic pain is going to last.....but that's based purely on hope.

Maybe Trump can work some stock market magic and MMT will produce the painkiller that steadies the ship after a year or so.

Regardless MMT is robbing future generations of any flexibility and perhaps wealth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2020 4.35pm)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Apr 20 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Yep, hence the people still somehow not taking the lockdown seriously and people pushing ‘herd immunity’ when the amount of people requiring hospital treatment simultaneously would burst the system apart at the seams. It’s a horrible illness, that spreads rapidly and easily. Keeping people as far apart as possible is the only sensible thing to do and should have been in place sooner.

Tom - hope your friend recovers fully. Nurses are incredible and hopefully after all this is over they will get the big pay rise they have deserved for years, along with other key workers still out there on the front line.

That would be nice for my wife! BF haven't had a decent pay rise for many years, unfortunately BF get very little public support due to the nature of their work. I personally have not heard them ever mentioned when the media talk about key workers having to continue to work. The only saving grace at the moment is that, due to lack of flights, they are not having to attend as much.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 11 Apr 20 4.18pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Many get it and die within days as well. How can blame be shifted as it was a fact. People didnt use the advice given. I did and have. Did you and yours, did danh and his,did croydon proud. If you did was it that hard to do it. You havent got C19 so clearly the advice was good advice. Freely given and freely taken. Dont forget about the 'liberty' being taken away in many releases. Maybe the government wanted to do the lockdown earlier but lawyers for you would have had a field day.

Who says we or you don"t have it? Nobody"s been tested have they?It can incubate for up to 3 weeks now, so they are saying, maybe more, who knows?I can see the numbers climbing above the experts predictions, they seem a shifty lot, maybe not as truthful as we would like to think, hopefully i am wrong!

 

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SavoyTruffle Flag 11 Apr 20 4.19pm Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The assertion was that we should be at the bottom of the death list. I said we may yet be. Where is the sniping? We won’t know which approach is/was most successful for a long time to come.
What I don’t understand is how this disease has caused a world wide lockdown when flu, which causes more deaths, is just worked around.

Apologies reading back your response I did misinterpret what you had written. Certainly no snipe on your part, ironically more on mine...

The lockdown stems from obviously firstly a desire to mitigate deaths but from my understanding the aim is in reducing cases overall. Every case and transfer increases the likelihood of virus mutation. With a virus as contagious as this without a vaccine the worry is that it mutates to something more deadly / resilient. Keeping chances of spread and therefore mutation as low as possible is obviously an aim.

Plus the fact that we have a vaccine for flu already means the elderly / vulnerable can be immunised every year and we can all catch seasonal flu and recover without issue. Unfortunately without that facility left unchecked this virus would run rampant through society.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Apr 20 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Who says we or you don"t have it? Nobody"s been tested have they?It can incubate for up to 3 weeks now, so they are saying, maybe more, who knows?I can see the numbers climbing above the experts predictions, they seem a shifty lot, maybe not as truthful as we would like to think, hopefully i am wrong!

We need those frigging testing kits, both of them.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 11 Apr 20 4.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We need those frigging testing kits, both of them.

Ha, indeed we do Stirling! On a different note, theres something about priti patel don"t you think, very handsom lady, got a great top half to, but the process went awol on the bottom, still, although she"s at it(ask the Israelis. , maybe better not),but she is definately eye candy!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Apr 20 4.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Apologies reading back your response I did misinterpret what you had written. Certainly no snipe on your part, ironically more on mine...

The lockdown stems from obviously firstly a desire to mitigate deaths but from my understanding the aim is in reducing cases overall. Every case and transfer increases the likelihood of virus mutation. With a virus as contagious as this without a vaccine the worry is that it mutates to something more deadly / resilient. Keeping chances of spread and therefore mutation as low as possible is obviously an aim.

Plus the fact that we have a vaccine for flu already means the elderly / vulnerable can be immunised every year and we can all catch seasonal flu and recover without issue. Unfortunately without that facility left unchecked this virus would run rampant through society.

This was definitely a concern I had at the start.

I looked into it and according to the biologists, thankfully coronavirus doesn't tend to mutate that much.

Still I think it's always a valid concern.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 11 Apr 20 4.32pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Apologies reading back your response I did misinterpret what you had written. Certainly no snipe on your part, ironically more on mine...

The lockdown stems from obviously firstly a desire to mitigate deaths but from my understanding the aim is in reducing cases overall. Every case and transfer increases the likelihood of virus mutation. With a virus as contagious as this without a vaccine the worry is that it mutates to something more deadly / resilient. Keeping chances of spread and therefore mutation as low as possible is obviously an aim.

Plus the fact that we have a vaccine for flu already means the elderly / vulnerable can be immunised every year and we can all catch seasonal flu and recover without issue. Unfortunately without that facility left unchecked this virus would run rampant through society.


Seasonal flu vaccine are almost always a year out of date. They are based on previous strains plus an assessment element of how the previous strain may mutate. But what about the strains of viruses that don't allow for immunity like chicken pox? If you catch the virus it will always remain in the body, but can re emerge years later as shingles (a variant). Same with the viruses that cause pericarditis and encephamialitis. Until the true nature of this beast is thoroughly understood there will not be anything truly effective against it.


Edited by becky (11 Apr 2020 4.58pm)

 


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