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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.05pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Yes I put quotation marks in to show that it was copied and pasted. What is your point? Clearly the AZ was not safe that's why they discontinued using it. The fact that an ultra cautious approach and the availability of alternatives with even fewer rare side effects means that its use in the UK has effectively ceased. Some other rich countries have taken the same approach but it continues to be used in the third world, where it was always intended for. It just proves that the multi faceted approach to find the best performing vaccines was sensible. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.05pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Yes I put quotation marks in to show that it was copied and pasted. What is your point?

Clearly the AZ was not safe that's why they discontinued using it.

The fact that an ultra cautious approach and the availability of alternatives with even fewer rare side effects means that its use in the UK has effectively ceased.

Some other rich countries have taken the same approach but it continues to be used in the third world, where it was always intended for.

It just proves that the multi faceted approach to find the best performing vaccines was sensible.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.09pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare From the telegraph: "The AstraZeneca vaccine caused a small group of individuals to suffer catastrophic injury and bereavement. To make this statement is not to dabble in anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, this is a fact, evidenced by the reports of clinicians, medical experts, and coroners across the UK. For those who want to maintain a narrative that vaccines do no harm, the experience of the vaccine injured and bereaved constitutes an inconvenient truth." [Link] The tide is turning No one at all would argue that the tiny minority who suffer from any rare side effect of any treatment should not be compensated and well looked after. It isn’t the point and it isn’t a reason to ignore the overwhelming benefits, For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.09pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

From the telegraph:

"The AstraZeneca vaccine caused a small group of individuals to suffer catastrophic injury and bereavement.

To make this statement is not to dabble in anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, this is a fact, evidenced by the reports of clinicians, medical experts, and coroners across the UK.

For those who want to maintain a narrative that vaccines do no harm, the experience of the vaccine injured and bereaved constitutes an inconvenient truth."

[Link]

The tide is turning

No one at all would argue that the tiny minority who suffer from any rare side effect of any treatment should not be compensated and well looked after.

It isn’t the point and it isn’t a reason to ignore the overwhelming benefits,

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.14pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Why is so important that everyone believed in the reasons for lockdown? Surely it's enough that they abided by the strictures imposed -unlike Johnson, Sunak, Ferguson, Cummings and dozens of Downing Street staff? It isn’t and they clearly didn’t. Especially some in Downing St it seems. You are right. What matters is when a path is chosen we all march down it together, despite any personal reservations. You cannot fight a war if your troops can decide for themselves which path, or none, they will take to beat the enemy. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 9.14pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why is so important that everyone believed in the reasons for lockdown?
Surely it's enough that they abided by the strictures imposed -unlike Johnson, Sunak, Ferguson, Cummings and dozens of Downing Street staff?

It isn’t and they clearly didn’t. Especially some in Downing St it seems.

You are right. What matters is when a path is chosen we all march down it together, despite any personal reservations.

You cannot fight a war if your troops can decide for themselves which path, or none, they will take to beat the enemy.

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Teddy Eagle 09 Nov 23 9.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It isn’t and they clearly didn’t. Especially some in Downing St it seems. You are right. What matters is when a path is chosen we all march down it together, despite any personal reservations. You cannot fight a war if your troops can decide for themselves which path, or none, they will take to beat the enemy. That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching.
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Teddy Eagle

09 Nov 23 9.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It isn’t and they clearly didn’t. Especially some in Downing St it seems.

You are right. What matters is when a path is chosen we all march down it together, despite any personal reservations.

You cannot fight a war if your troops can decide for themselves which path, or none, they will take to beat the enemy.

That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 11.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching. Brexit was self inflicted damage that needed and still needs to be opposed. Not a war against an unseen enemy that impacts all of us in some way. Arguing for rejoining is as valid now as arguing against the EU was pre Brexit. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 23 11.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching.

Brexit was self inflicted damage that needed and still needs to be opposed. Not a war against an unseen enemy that impacts all of us in some way.

Arguing for rejoining is as valid now as arguing against the EU was pre Brexit.

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Teddy Eagle 09 Nov 23 11.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Brexit was self inflicted damage that needed and still needs to be opposed. Not a war against an unseen enemy that impacts all of us in some way. Arguing for rejoining is as valid now as arguing against the EU was pre Brexit. So some paths chosen don't have to marched down. Just the approved ones. Got it.
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Teddy Eagle

09 Nov 23 11.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Brexit was self inflicted damage that needed and still needs to be opposed. Not a war against an unseen enemy that impacts all of us in some way.

Arguing for rejoining is as valid now as arguing against the EU was pre Brexit.

So some paths chosen don't have to marched down. Just the approved ones. Got it.

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robdave2k 10 Nov 23 4.07am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching. Game. Set. Match. Like debating with Comical Ali isn’t it. Edited by robdave2k (10 Nov 2023 5.10am)
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robdave2k

10 Nov 23 4.07am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That's Brexit settled then. Happy marching.

Game. Set. Match.

Like debating with Comical Ali isn’t it.

Edited by robdave2k (10 Nov 2023 5.10am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 23 8.40am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So some paths chosen don't have to marched down. Just the approved ones. Got it. We march together, under a unified command, when we face a common enemy. When one group is thought to be forcing us down the wrong path that’s politics, not war. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 23 8.40am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So some paths chosen don't have to marched down. Just the approved ones. Got it.

We march together, under a unified command, when we face a common enemy.

When one group is thought to be forcing us down the wrong path that’s politics, not war.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 23 8.46am
Originally posted by robdave2k Game. Set. Match. Like debating with Comical Ali isn’t it. Edited by robdave2k (10 Nov 2023 5.10am) Brexit was like losing the second set of a 5 set match after a close tie break, having won the first. We are now battling for the third. This game is a long, long way from being over and when it is we will start another. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 23 8.46am

Originally posted by robdave2k

Game. Set. Match.

Like debating with Comical Ali isn’t it.

Edited by robdave2k (10 Nov 2023 5.10am)

Brexit was like losing the second set of a 5 set match after a close tie break, having won the first.

We are now battling for the third. This game is a long, long way from being over and when it is we will start another.

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 23 9.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Brexit was like losing the second set of a 5 set match after a close tie break, having won the first. We are now battling for the third. This game is a long, long way from being over and when it is we will start another. Brexit will not be an issue at the next GE. I think the public have far more concerns. When Labour win Starmer will have to ask himself is it worth re-opening this can of worms when the public want him to focus on other things. Politicians pay attention to focus groups and public opinion e.g. Blair. Starmer will only pick this particular scab if he thinks it's worth it and I see no appetite for it. My guess is there maybe some minor technical changes with the EU but there is no political mileage. The UK has not collapsed the sun still rises and the EU is even talking about allowing Brits to use the EU passport channel. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 10 Nov 23 9.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Brexit was like losing the second set of a 5 set match after a close tie break, having won the first.

We are now battling for the third. This game is a long, long way from being over and when it is we will start another.

Brexit will not be an issue at the next GE. I think the public have far more concerns.

When Labour win Starmer will have to ask himself is it worth re-opening this can of worms when the public want him to focus on other things.

Politicians pay attention to focus groups and public opinion e.g. Blair. Starmer will only pick this particular scab if he thinks it's worth it and I see no appetite for it.

My guess is there maybe some minor technical changes with the EU but there is no political mileage. The UK has not collapsed the sun still rises and the EU is even talking about allowing Brits to use the EU passport channel.

One more point

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