You seem adament that a people bombed and besieged are either making it up, or that it's only 'neo nazis' being taken out. That the only war crimes are being carried out by said neo nazis and that every Russian war crime is 'staged'. The West you say are insulting their own war dead by arming 'neo nazis', and alongside your fellow ungrateful alt media idlers you are against that happening. Fine, okay so what do you actually think would happen to Ukraine if the West stopped its military assistance?

Now let me think..

What Russia should do with Ukraine [Link]

They don't call it that, they call it 'The Kremlin' apparently.

Edited by Nicholas91 (05 May 2022 3.29pm)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Again, the only direct evidence I've seen is of Ukraine war crimes. I'm not saying the Russians have not committed these (I just don't know) but I've learned that so much in our press/media is entirely made up and there is plenty of evidence on this and other threads and a whole heap of "reporting" that turned out to be false in Ukraine. I don't want Russians or Ukrainians killed and I think the best way to achieve that is peace which NATO and the Ukrainians seem to have ruled out. It's not shipping arms to people who have a documented history of killing their own citizens. On the overall subject of the invasion itself it's certainly no worse that what we did in Iraq, Afghanistan and many other places and what we are currently turning a blind eye to in Yemen. Remember "shock and awe", "The Highway of Death" and try googling "depleted uranium babies" if you can stomach it.

It's just that I think I've learned to look at the system from the outside and most people are fish who cannot see the water they are swimming in. I have pretty much given up any political ideology let alone anything "extreme" because I can see politics and ideology for what it is. The problem is that the most wealthy and powerful (and I mean super wealthy) now see us as a problem to be dealt with. I'm on the side of everyone on this thread in that respect and I only post on here in the hope that it might help at least one other person to see that same. Anything you consider is "extreme" are things that are kept outside of our reach by these same people or "predatory elites" as some have framed them. I took me a long time to get here and challenged pretty much every view I had on the world.

All the politicians and hollywood actors going to ukraine for a photoshoot these days!

All a bit ridiculous! I dont believe a word out of main stream media about whats going on over there!

Edited by eaglesdare (05 May 2022 3.55pm)

By all means criticise aspects of your own society and media (most do).. but if you go so full tilt that you end up acting like a perpetual Kremlin mouthpiece, a Russian propoganda outlet, then that's not ideal either. It just comes off like you've become so dislocated from your own society that you're easy pickings for and unquestioning of 'any' influence beyond that. It then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because most tune out so any balancing factors just go out of the window. If it wasn't this it's something else and the only ones who encourage it are on a similar trajectory. 'Alt media' junkies huddled together for warmth; scoffing at 'normies'.

Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 5.47pm)

Your post was funny, I was just being a bit serious as I don't really see why anyone other than football fans - Palace fans and the odd away fan - would be on a football forum. Unless, of course, there were some other motive.

Red and Blue Army!