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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle All parties and their MPs have honoured the result! What they haven't yet done is find a satisfactory way to actually exit without causing more damage than they are prepared to accept. You don't promise to honour a commitment and then, after discovering new information, do something that, in your opinion, would cause more harm than good. You wouldn't drive your family to Gatwick tomorrow to catch a Thomas Cook flight just because you promised to do so a month ago. You would try to make alternative arrangements that suited the changed circumstances. You have already used that analogy.....something new perhaps? The MPs have NOT honoured the result however you want to spin it, Wisbech.!
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All parties and their MPs have honoured the result! What they haven't yet done is find a satisfactory way to actually exit without causing more damage than they are prepared to accept.

You don't promise to honour a commitment and then, after discovering new information, do something that, in your opinion, would cause more harm than good.

You wouldn't drive your family to Gatwick tomorrow to catch a Thomas Cook flight just because you promised to do so a month ago. You would try to make alternative arrangements that suited the changed circumstances.

You have already used that analogy.....something new perhaps? The MPs have NOT honoured the result however you want to spin it, Wisbech.!

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Matov 24 Sep 19 3.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You wouldn't drive your family to Gatwick tomorrow to catch a Thomas Cook flight just because you promised to do so a month ago. You would try to make alternative arrangements that suited the changed circumstances. WTF? Thomas Cook no longer exist. The referendum result from June 23rd still stands and the legislation is in place for us to leave. The only changed circumstance is MP's unwilling to honour what they promised. Fine. Let's have a GE based on that narrative. You either want people to have faith in our system or you do not. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Sep 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You wouldn't drive your family to Gatwick tomorrow to catch a Thomas Cook flight just because you promised to do so a month ago. You would try to make alternative arrangements that suited the changed circumstances.

WTF? Thomas Cook no longer exist. The referendum result from June 23rd still stands and the legislation is in place for us to leave. The only changed circumstance is MP's unwilling to honour what they promised.

Fine. Let's have a GE based on that narrative. You either want people to have faith in our system or you do not.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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W12 24 Sep 19 3.29pm
We are a broken country, I think I would be happy now if we just split this country down the middle and went our separate ways. Obviously that won't happen because remainers wouldn't allow it.
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W12 24 Sep 19 3.29pm

We are a broken country, I think I would be happy now if we just split this country down the middle and went our separate ways.

Obviously that won't happen because remainers wouldn't allow it.

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Matov 24 Sep 19 3.30pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I think the question surely is how much democracy do you want? I'm not the one that has an issue with it as a best worst system. How much? How about 17.4 million votes worth? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Sep 19 3.30pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think the question surely is how much democracy do you want? I'm not the one that has an issue with it as a best worst system.

How much? How about 17.4 million votes worth?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 19 3.34pm
I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making. We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.
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I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making.

We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.

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Matov 24 Sep 19 3.35pm
Originally posted by W12 We are a broken country.... Not quite yet but it is becoming more and more likely. This is what I truly struggle to understand about Remainers. It is like they are blind to how much anger is out there. As though they are so mypoic in their outlook that they cannot comprehend the simple reality of how the votes on June 23rd were cast. Of how 52 beats 48 in terms of a percentage. And no matter how much caterwauling or dismissing or mocking they want to pour on that, the result stands and is not going away. It has to be honoured. We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance. Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Sep 19 3.35pm

Originally posted by W12

We are a broken country....

Not quite yet but it is becoming more and more likely. This is what I truly struggle to understand about Remainers. It is like they are blind to how much anger is out there. As though they are so mypoic in their outlook that they cannot comprehend the simple reality of how the votes on June 23rd were cast. Of how 52 beats 48 in terms of a percentage. And no matter how much caterwauling or dismissing or mocking they want to pour on that, the result stands and is not going away. It has to be honoured.

We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance.

Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Sep 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making. We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs. We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.
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Croydon 24 Sep 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

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Matov 24 Sep 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls* and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. A fing men. And why I have a modicum of respect for the Lib Dems. Don't get me wrong I loathe any and every one of the f**ers but at least they are no longer wasting our time by trying to pretend they care about the 17.4 million. They have a simple and clear policy. Revoke A50 and the rest of us can kiss their arses. Kudos for that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Sep 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

A f***ing men. And why I have a modicum of respect for the Lib Dems. Don't get me wrong I loathe any and every one of the f***ers but at least they are no longer wasting our time by trying to pretend they care about the 17.4 million.

They have a simple and clear policy. Revoke A50 and the rest of us can kiss their arses. Kudos for that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 24 Sep 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43. So lets have a GE to remedy that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Sep 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

So lets have a GE to remedy that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43. Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Sep 19 4.02pm
Originally posted by the silurian Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!! I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'. Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM. The labour parties demise starts there.
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steeleye20

Croydon 24 Sep 19 4.02pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!

I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'.

Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM.

The labour parties demise starts there.

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DANGERCLOSE London 24 Sep 19 4.06pm
The remainers have played a good game, they have defeated the government, they have taken control of most of the political parties, the media is fully behind them All they need to do is get the majority of the people behind them, but the people aren't as easily led as the rest
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DANGERCLOSE

London 24 Sep 19 4.06pm

The remainers have played a good game, they have defeated the government, they have taken control of most of the political parties, the media is fully behind them

All they need to do is get the majority of the people behind them, but the people aren't as easily led as the rest

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