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Stirlingsays 20 Sep 19 5.37am | |
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Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway. Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments.
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dannyboy1978 20 Sep 19 7.19am | |
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Thats no different to the grenfell effergy. Will this "singer" be going to coart for a hate crime?
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 20 Sep 19 7.45am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Is that a fact or an opinion? I think it was a joke, Chris.
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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 19 7.51am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them. And the rest got away with it.
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jeeagles 20 Sep 19 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
so why do so many want to be MPs? They know the terms and conditions, so why do they want to do it if its so terrible? Because it isnt, they make loads of money, massive expenses etc etc Not that many people want to do it. There's about 1 MP per 100,000 people. At each election, assuming the incumbent wants to stay on, they'll probably be standing against 5 other people selected from very short, shortlists. You're still probably looking at about 1 in every 5,000 people wanting to become an MP. You ever get people who cant hold down a job (Corbyn) or people who've made their money wanting to do something better with their lifes (Hunt). £60,000 a year to be responsible for 100,000 with the risk of losing your job every 4 years isn't enough to attract decent talent.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Sep 19 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Not that many people want to do it. There's about 1 MP per 100,000 people. At each election, assuming the incumbent wants to stay on, they'll probably be standing against 5 other people selected from very short, shortlists. You're still probably looking at about 1 in every 5,000 people wanting to become an MP. You ever get people who cant hold down a job (Corbyn) or people who've made their money wanting to do something better with their lifes (Hunt). £60,000 a year to be responsible for 100,000 with the risk of losing your job every 4 years isn't enough to attract decent talent. Its not just 60,000 a year though....its 79,000 + unlimited expenses (with no reciepts required) + subsidised bars restaurants + mortgages paid, long holidays + etc etc...so somewhat more than 60k a year Edited by the silurian (20 Sep 2019 8.57am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 8.55am | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
He wasnt literate enough Literacy doesn't appear to be a barrier to membership here and the opportunity to regularly present inciteful wisdom from the Alf Garnett school of political thought. I think your housemate would feel right at home and among friends so it might be a kindness to invite him to join. He might be very lonely out there in the real world.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Sep 19 9.03am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Literacy doesn't appear to be a barrier to membership here and the opportunity to regularly present inciteful wisdom from the Alf Garnett school of political thought. I think your housemate would feel right at home and among friends so it might be a kindness to invite him to join. He might be very lonely out there in the real world. Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them. Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective. Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business? The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed. So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL. Some for sure, and all the more enjoyable for that, but satire always reflects real life. It just pokes fun at it so we can identify the hypocrisy. We had all encountered a real Alf Garnett somewhere and not been able to laugh at him at the time.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Sep 19 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective. Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business? The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed. So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all. Indeed. I’ve seen people earning relative fortunes ask for receipts for cups of tea and newspapers and you have to think lots of restaurants couldn’t charge their ridiculous prices without expense account customers but the difference with MPs was the sheer bewilderment most expressed at being questioned.
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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Sep 19 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway. Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments. 'non'..........
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