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steeleye20 Croydon 13 May 24 2.11pm | |
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The Egypt/Israel treaty (from 1978 - Jimmy Carter) has now been broken by Israel, they are not in control of themselves. Hamas regrouping and recruiting - the world against Israel, the USA isolated and their reputation trashed, it's looking like this. The Middle East is 90% Islamic, it cannot be changed by the USA or Israel. I think without Zionism, if Israel had genuinely tried to live in peace and respect its neighbours, a sort of post-apartheid deal could have been achieved, but not with this. There must be a system of law that countries keep to, Israel did not their occupation of Palestine was illegal, they need to be pushed back to their border not supported. Unfortunately for them, we do have television sets, and we do know who is blowing kids to bits regardless of what governments and media, including our own, try to cover up.
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silvertop Portishead 13 May 24 4.37pm | |
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Interesting the UK public gave Israel the full 12 points at Eurovision. I would like to know the demographic of those who vote, but whatever group is over-represented, clearly they are siding with Israel. I suspect it is, as one said above, their closer alliance to western values and where they appear to sit in the "battle" with Islam. Either way, it couldn't have possibly been the song. Forgotten before she had finished it.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 13 May 24 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Interesting the UK public gave Israel the full 12 points at Eurovision. I would like to know the demographic of those who vote, but whatever group is over-represented, clearly they are siding with Israel. I suspect it is, as one said above, their closer alliance to western values and where they appear to sit in the "battle" with Islam. Either way, it couldn't have possibly been the song. Forgotten before she had finished it. It wasn’t only the UK that gave Israel a load of votes; I think Israel’s public vote was the highest. It’s sort of what happens when the public are perhaps afraid to voice their choices ‘out load’ , hence we had the Brexit vote go against expectations. Whilst there is secret voting, the public will always vote the way they want to rather than the way they are expected to.
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cryrst The garden of England 13 May 24 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Egypt/Israel treaty (from 1978 - Jimmy Carter) has now been broken by Israel, they are not in control of themselves. Hamas regrouping and recruiting - the world against Israel, the USA isolated and their reputation trashed, it's looking like this. The Middle East is 90% Islamic, it cannot be changed by the USA or Israel. I think without Zionism, if Israel had genuinely tried to live in peace and respect its neighbours, a sort of post-apartheid deal could have been achieved, but not with this. There must be a system of law that countries keep to, Israel did not their occupation of Palestine was illegal, they need to be pushed back to their border not supported. Unfortunately for them, we do have television sets, and we do know who is blowing kids to bits regardless of what governments and media, including our own, try to cover up. Band of brothers was on last night. It was called. “why we fight”. They found a concentration camp which for the TV show was watered down according to the GIs and survivors. These were Jews who kept themselves to themselves back then but were hated by a certain people. Muslims is now that people !!! You will not be happy until Hamas and their ilk attack again which they will but never mind, it’s only Jews. Oh I doubt we would be here if that hadn’t already happened last year !
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Stirlingsays 13 May 24 9.57pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Band of brothers was on last night. It was called. “why we fight”. They found a concentration camp which for the TV show was watered down according to the GIs and survivors. These were Jews who kept themselves to themselves back then but were hated by a certain people. Muslims is now that people !!! You will not be happy until Hamas and their ilk attack again which they will but never mind, it’s only Jews. Oh I doubt we would be here if that hadn’t already happened last year ! Like that's ever been the case.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 24 10.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Netanyahu is concerned with the plight of Israel first and foremost. Seeing children die is truly terrible, but if the Iranian Rahbar and his friends had their way, all Israeli children would be beheaded. I disagree. Netanyahu is concerned for his own survival first and foremost. He knows that when he goes, as he must in time, there are many who want to see him behind bars. If he was truly only concerned about the plight of Israel he would have stood down long ago, allowed others to stop the “settlers” and their land grabs who would have adopted a more nuanced way of ensuring security and defeating Hamas. This way is no way to achieve a secure country. It will ultimately make things worse, not better. It fixes Netanyahu’s problem, but not Israel’s.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 May 24 11.21pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Egypt/Israel treaty (from 1978 - Jimmy Carter) has now been broken by Israel, they are not in control of themselves. Hamas regrouping and recruiting - the world against Israel, the USA isolated and their reputation trashed, it's looking like this. The Middle East is 90% Islamic, it cannot be changed by the USA or Israel. I think without Zionism, if Israel had genuinely tried to live in peace and respect its neighbours, a sort of post-apartheid deal could have been achieved, but not with this. There must be a system of law that countries keep to, Israel did not their occupation of Palestine was illegal, they need to be pushed back to their border not supported. Unfortunately for them, we do have television sets, and we do know who is blowing kids to bits regardless of what governments and media, including our own, try to cover up. Manchester arena was kids blown to bits, who did that?
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 24 8.19am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I disagree. Netanyahu is concerned for his own survival first and foremost. He knows that when he goes, as he must in time, there are many who want to see him behind bars. If he was truly only concerned about the plight of Israel he would have stood down long ago, allowed others to stop the “settlers” and their land grabs who would have adopted a more nuanced way of ensuring security and defeating Hamas. This way is no way to achieve a secure country. It will ultimately make things worse, not better. It fixes Netanyahu’s problem, but not Israel’s. I never said he was only concerned with Israel. Who is not concerned for themselves? You speculate that it will make things worse because you see everything through the lens of moderation. Moderate never achieved anything in war.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 24 9.44am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I never said he was only concerned with Israel. Who is not concerned for themselves? You speculate that it will make things worse because you see everything through the lens of moderation. Moderate never achieved anything in war. I said his first and foremost concern is his own survival. A moderate, nuanced approach, building partnerships and improving lives could have avoided war. It could not have immediately stopped terrorism from Hamas or others but it could have begun to isolate and weaken them. It still could, but will now take even longer. This way might seem fast and attractive to the hawks but in my opinion will ultimately lead to a far worse outcome. Not only for Israel.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 24 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I said his first and foremost concern is his own survival. A moderate, nuanced approach, building partnerships and improving lives could have avoided war. It could not have immediately stopped terrorism from Hamas or others but it could have begun to isolate and weaken them. It still could, but will now take even longer. This way might seem fast and attractive to the hawks but in my opinion will ultimately lead to a far worse outcome. Not only for Israel. I really would like to believe in a peaceful approach, but we are not talking about peoples who are reasonable.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 May 24 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Manchester arena was kids blown to bits, who did that? This is the quality of argument left in defence of Israel.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 May 24 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
It wasn’t only the UK that gave Israel a load of votes; I think Israel’s public vote was the highest. It’s sort of what happens when the public are perhaps afraid to voice their choices ‘out load’ , hence we had the Brexit vote go against expectations. Whilst there is secret voting, the public will always vote the way they want to rather than the way they are expected to. No, it isn't. It was a targeted campaign by activists who were motivated to ensure the Israeli candidate won - fair enough, each to their own, but please don't pretend this is indicative of any wider public sentiment beyond a minority of motivated campaigners. If you want to get an idea of public feeling on the situation, we have far more informative ways to assess that than the outcome of a talent show; [Link]
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