Actually, it would be very refreshing to be proved wrong. That would mean that for once, one of you actually provided some incontrovertible evidence of something instead of just spewing out a lot of old guff.

Oh I really don't think that would be too difficult. In my opinion of course. I somehow doubt though that your opinion of the proof would be the same. That's opinions for you. What's incontrovertible to some isn't for others. What's a "load of old guff" for some is hard fact to others.

I am not even going to try now because diversions and pettiness are off my agenda. The only reason for my comment was to encourage others to take it off their's.

I take your point.

Facts ought to be facts but in today's Trumpian world there is now significant blurring. Alternative facts now exist, in the minds of some people anyway.

Very true. I’ll concede that it’s expected or predictable that those who understand the lockdown use deaths now whereas those who support no lockdown really have to use a ‘‘we’ll see’’ stance because none of the countries can be compared to us. It takes a few days for it to sink home. We all know the English channel and northern sea puts a distance between us and our neighbours that those in schengen don’t have.

Even after the comparisons are done, I wonder if cultural or behavioural differences are taken into account. Probably not. I’ll not use accurate stereotypes here but we know Germans are more obedient, law abiding and government advice following than Britons. They like and respond to rules. And Swedes are more socially aware and value society and others more than Britons.

Unless we see the old bill meaning business, we, well enough of a minority of us, carry on doing what we wanna do. Herd immunity will probably spread it faster in the U.K. than other European countries if that’s the way we go.

All because of a diet eating flying vermin. Why can’t they just require an unnecessary gluten or lactose free diet instead?

And 46% of NHS staff are not clinically qualified. How many more managers should they employ?

Many get it and die within days as well. How can blame be shifted as it was a fact. People didnt use the advice given. I did and have. Did you and yours, did danh and his,did croydon proud. If you did was it that hard to do it. You havent got C19 so clearly the advice was good advice. Freely given and freely taken. Dont forget about the 'liberty' being taken away in many releases. Maybe the government wanted to do the lockdown earlier but lawyers for you would have had a field day.