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Teddy Eagle 18 Sep 19 12.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I trust no one would argue that the political balance on this forum leans heavily to the right. I meant wrong in what you say. It’s possible.
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18 Sep 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I trust no one would argue that the political balance on this forum leans heavily to the right.

I meant wrong in what you say. It’s possible.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Sep 19 1.03pm
Originally posted by Matov It is the Express so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. But the truth is that the UK and the EU do need a relationship post-October 31st, assuming we have left. If you ignore the hyperbole around 'no-deal' it is clear that a lot of progress has been made with plenty of evidence of arrangements in place to keep trade flowing at the main choke points such as Calais. And in terms of the Irish border, and I appreciate that for Remainers maths are not their strongest point but even they should be able to get their heads around these numbers, 85% of Irelands exports have to cross the NI border compared to less than 0.5% of ours going the other way. And the UK has always been absolutely clear that it will not place any obstacles in the way of that carrying on so why would the EU want to stop that? Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope. 'Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope'. The Johnson school of blind optimism. You are a recruiting sergeant for staying in the EU. One simply cannot imagine anyone from the leave side having any semblance of detail or a plan, even after 3 years they become more bland and vacuous. Cancel today and be rid of their bogus fantasies.
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Croydon 18 Sep 19 1.03pm

Originally posted by Matov

It is the Express so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. But the truth is that the UK and the EU do need a relationship post-October 31st, assuming we have left. If you ignore the hyperbole around 'no-deal' it is clear that a lot of progress has been made with plenty of evidence of arrangements in place to keep trade flowing at the main choke points such as Calais.

And in terms of the Irish border, and I appreciate that for Remainers maths are not their strongest point but even they should be able to get their heads around these numbers, 85% of Irelands exports have to cross the NI border compared to less than 0.5% of ours going the other way. And the UK has always been absolutely clear that it will not place any obstacles in the way of that carrying on so why would the EU want to stop that?

Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope.

'Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope'.

The Johnson school of blind optimism.

You are a recruiting sergeant for staying in the EU.

One simply cannot imagine anyone from the leave side having any semblance of detail or a plan, even after 3 years they become more bland and vacuous.

Cancel today and be rid of their bogus fantasies.

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Midlands Eagle 18 Sep 19 1.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This was a donation from one of the Soros foundations, who act independently under their own management. It was also to a group that Mrs Miller ceased being a member of in 2017. Her court action is unconnected to that group. As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund. Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company?
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18 Sep 19 1.12pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This was a donation from one of the Soros foundations, who act independently under their own management. It was also to a group that Mrs Miller ceased being a member of in 2017. Her court action is unconnected to that group.

As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund.

Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company?

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DanH SW2 18 Sep 19 1.21pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund. Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company? Rees Mogg is still an active LLP member in that hedge fund. You do to seem enjoy playing your part in making people with different political views to you not want to bother on this site any more.
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SW2 18 Sep 19 1.21pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund.

Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company?

Rees Mogg is still an active LLP member in that hedge fund.

You do to seem enjoy playing your part in making people with different political views to you not want to bother on this site any more.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Sep 19 1.24pm
Originally posted by Matov On the face of it then it appears a straight forward case because the executive are entitled to do this and in light of how long it has been since a Queens speech, you could argue that it is long over-due. And for me the most pertinent question asked yesterday was if MP's were so outraged by what the PM did, why the lack of a vote of confidence? The HoC has a valid mechanism in place, and given the current mathematic a good chance of it working. What makes me smile about any and every Remainer claim about their desire to uphold the democratic process is that they could bring down this Government tomorrow. They have a PM offering them a GE to settle this Brexit issue and yet they refuse. That is the genuine scandal in all of this. They accuse the PM of abusing Parliamentary procedure and to an extent they are right. But this only came about on the back of the likes of Bercow trampling all over the conventions they proclaim to love so much and Judges already overstepping the mark as well. And then, after constantly claiming how desperate they are for a GE, bottle it. Make no bones about it, this truly is a battle for the UK's future. What is happening at the moment will be discussed in a 100 years time plus, taught as a turning point in the UK's future. The Remain establishment do not care about your vote. They genuinely want people to become disillusioned with the entire process because then they think they get their way. They have no desire to put their views to the public in anything else other than a rigged electoral process and they have, on the evidence so far on offer, zero intention of ever allowing us to vote in a meaningful way again on this Brexit question. Effectively Remainers are holding the country to hostage. Trying to tie up in knots the mandate given on June 23rd for our country to leave the EU. Loathe them for that. Hate them. Because we are rapidly approaching the point of no return. Even if they get their way and by this time next year we are still not only in the EU but with A50 revoked then the struggle continues. It never, ever goes away. And what puzzles me this the most. That they actually want this mayhem to continue because surely they cannot imagine it goes away because they manage to over-throw the 17 million plus who voted 'Leave'. That somehow they think that we will all just slink away, nurse our wounds and never try to rock the boat again? This combination of Remainer arrogance and rank stupidity is breath-taking. Absolutely stunning. Because this inability to accept that 52 beats 48 in % terms, and that this is a democratic mandate that cannot be brushed aside, is beyond moronic. Remain is no longer a valid position to hold but merely a manifestation of a mental illness. Ego writ large in a manner that holds the potential to destroy this country. And they don't get that. We have a Government that wants us to leave the EU on the back of the vote on June 23rd 2016. It has offered a Parliament a chance to put that stance to the ultimate test with a General Election. And Parliament is declining that in favour of a legal processs that people increasingly have no faith in. That Remainers would rather trust a panel of judges, drawn from the narrowest of social classes, than the British people. Says it all. I have to say I find your posts fantastically entertaining.
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Originally posted by Matov

On the face of it then it appears a straight forward case because the executive are entitled to do this and in light of how long it has been since a Queens speech, you could argue that it is long over-due.

And for me the most pertinent question asked yesterday was if MP's were so outraged by what the PM did, why the lack of a vote of confidence? The HoC has a valid mechanism in place, and given the current mathematic a good chance of it working.

What makes me smile about any and every Remainer claim about their desire to uphold the democratic process is that they could bring down this Government tomorrow. They have a PM offering them a GE to settle this Brexit issue and yet they refuse. That is the genuine scandal in all of this.

They accuse the PM of abusing Parliamentary procedure and to an extent they are right. But this only came about on the back of the likes of Bercow trampling all over the conventions they proclaim to love so much and Judges already overstepping the mark as well. And then, after constantly claiming how desperate they are for a GE, bottle it.

Make no bones about it, this truly is a battle for the UK's future. What is happening at the moment will be discussed in a 100 years time plus, taught as a turning point in the UK's future.

The Remain establishment do not care about your vote. They genuinely want people to become disillusioned with the entire process because then they think they get their way. They have no desire to put their views to the public in anything else other than a rigged electoral process and they have, on the evidence so far on offer, zero intention of ever allowing us to vote in a meaningful way again on this Brexit question.

Effectively Remainers are holding the country to hostage. Trying to tie up in knots the mandate given on June 23rd for our country to leave the EU.

Loathe them for that. Hate them. Because we are rapidly approaching the point of no return. Even if they get their way and by this time next year we are still not only in the EU but with A50 revoked then the struggle continues. It never, ever goes away.

And what puzzles me this the most. That they actually want this mayhem to continue because surely they cannot imagine it goes away because they manage to over-throw the 17 million plus who voted 'Leave'. That somehow they think that we will all just slink away, nurse our wounds and never try to rock the boat again?

This combination of Remainer arrogance and rank stupidity is breath-taking. Absolutely stunning. Because this inability to accept that 52 beats 48 in % terms, and that this is a democratic mandate that cannot be brushed aside, is beyond moronic. Remain is no longer a valid position to hold but merely a manifestation of a mental illness.

Ego writ large in a manner that holds the potential to destroy this country. And they don't get that.

We have a Government that wants us to leave the EU on the back of the vote on June 23rd 2016. It has offered a Parliament a chance to put that stance to the ultimate test with a General Election. And Parliament is declining that in favour of a legal processs that people increasingly have no faith in.

That Remainers would rather trust a panel of judges, drawn from the narrowest of social classes, than the British people. Says it all.

I have to say I find your posts fantastically entertaining.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Sep 19 1.35pm
British PM Johnson ‘only recently realised full meaning of single market’ for the first time. Boris Johnson is said by an EU official to have “slumped in his chair” at a lunch in Luxembourg on Monday when the reality of how difficult it would be to strike a Brexit deal dawned on him. One official said Mr Johnson had a “penny-dropping” moment when he was told that replacing the Irish backstop would not prevent customs checks that cross the border with Ireland.
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British PM Johnson ‘only recently realised full meaning of single market’ for the first time.

Boris Johnson is said by an EU official to have “slumped in his chair” at a lunch in Luxembourg on Monday when the reality of how difficult it would be to strike a Brexit deal dawned on him.

One official said Mr Johnson had a “penny-dropping” moment when he was told that replacing the Irish backstop would not prevent customs checks that cross the border with Ireland.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Sep 19 1.43pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I have to say I find your posts fantastically entertaining. To lose your marbles over brexit would seem somewhat careless, but he has...
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Croydon 18 Sep 19 1.43pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I have to say I find your posts fantastically entertaining.

To lose your marbles over brexit would seem somewhat careless, but he has...

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 1.43pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund. Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company? I am struggling to see the similarities. JRM runs his hedge funds to make money. How much daily/regular involvement he now has is unknown to me. It has been suggested that he would profit from a no deal Brexit presumably by the funds taking short term positions on shares which might suffer. I have no direct knowledge if that is true or not. Soros funds his foundations to give money away. He has established their modus operandi and then allowed them to operate independently. He isn't making money from anything they might decide to help. Indeed it's costing him. His motivation are therefore his convictions and not his pocket. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 1.43pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As a matter of interest a few months ago a late unlamented HOL member moaned on every day about Jacob Rees-Mogg making a fortune out of Brexit via his hedge fund.

Did you stick up for him at the time saying that the hedge fund acted independently under their own management and that his actions were unconnected to that company?

I am struggling to see the similarities.

JRM runs his hedge funds to make money. How much daily/regular involvement he now has is unknown to me. It has been suggested that he would profit from a no deal Brexit presumably by the funds taking short term positions on shares which might suffer. I have no direct knowledge if that is true or not.

Soros funds his foundations to give money away. He has established their modus operandi and then allowed them to operate independently. He isn't making money from anything they might decide to help. Indeed it's costing him. His motivation are therefore his convictions and not his pocket.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Matov 18 Sep 19 1.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope'. The Johnson school of blind optimism. You are a recruiting sergeant for staying in the EU. One simply cannot imagine anyone from the leave side having any semblance of detail or a plan, even after 3 years they become more bland and vacuous. Cancel today and be rid of their bogus fantasies. The only word I take umbrage with is 'optimisim'. I have never been optimistic. Only a realist. There has never been the slightest chance of a deal. The EU simply cannot afford it. Rational logic would dictate that it should have been a relatively straight-forward process but the EU has a far bigger picture to look at. The EU had no option other than to pull every stunt it could, at the cost of their own economies, because we will thrive if we achieve a clean break. The UK can react quicker, has its own global presence on a variety of levels, be more flexible and in short will sit off shore as a shining beacon of what can be achieved outside of the EU. If no-deal was such a bad thing for the UK, the EU would have thrown us out already. It would serve its purposes perfectly. But instead, they allowed us to extend and will do so again. They need us on the inside. Now I have zero issues with how they have conducted themselves. I even feel for them a little in terms of having that t*** from Luxembourg, a country with the population of Leeds, doing his best to throw a spanner in the works and summing up one of the primary reasons why leaving the EU makes so much sense. How can an arsewipe of a nation such as Luxembourg have a veto over anything the UK may or may not want to do? Beyond farcical. All of my ire is aimed at people who will not accept the legitimacy of the result on June 23rd 2016. My fellow Brits. Nothing other than complete and utter contempt and loathing. Best of luck to the EU. I hope we can be friends again one day. But Remainers, they can kiss my fat white British arse. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

18 Sep 19 1.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Life carries on come November 1st when hopefully we leave with no deal and it will be much smoother than Remainers hope'.

The Johnson school of blind optimism.

You are a recruiting sergeant for staying in the EU.

One simply cannot imagine anyone from the leave side having any semblance of detail or a plan, even after 3 years they become more bland and vacuous.

Cancel today and be rid of their bogus fantasies.

The only word I take umbrage with is 'optimisim'. I have never been optimistic. Only a realist.

There has never been the slightest chance of a deal. The EU simply cannot afford it. Rational logic would dictate that it should have been a relatively straight-forward process but the EU has a far bigger picture to look at. The EU had no option other than to pull every stunt it could, at the cost of their own economies, because we will thrive if we achieve a clean break.

The UK can react quicker, has its own global presence on a variety of levels, be more flexible and in short will sit off shore as a shining beacon of what can be achieved outside of the EU.

If no-deal was such a bad thing for the UK, the EU would have thrown us out already. It would serve its purposes perfectly. But instead, they allowed us to extend and will do so again. They need us on the inside.

Now I have zero issues with how they have conducted themselves. I even feel for them a little in terms of having that t*** from Luxembourg, a country with the population of Leeds, doing his best to throw a spanner in the works and summing up one of the primary reasons why leaving the EU makes so much sense. How can an arsewipe of a nation such as Luxembourg have a veto over anything the UK may or may not want to do? Beyond farcical.

All of my ire is aimed at people who will not accept the legitimacy of the result on June 23rd 2016. My fellow Brits. Nothing other than complete and utter contempt and loathing.

Best of luck to the EU. I hope we can be friends again one day. But Remainers, they can kiss my fat white British arse.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Midlands Eagle 18 Sep 19 1.49pm
Originally posted by DanH Rees Mogg is still an active LLP member in that hedge fund. You do to seem enjoy playing your part in making people with different political views to you not want to bother on this site any more. 1) No he isn't 2) What a daft comment but there again you seem to specialise in them
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18 Sep 19 1.49pm

Originally posted by DanH

Rees Mogg is still an active LLP member in that hedge fund.

You do to seem enjoy playing your part in making people with different political views to you not want to bother on this site any more.

1) No he isn't

2) What a daft comment but there again you seem to specialise in them

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DanH SW2 18 Sep 19 1.51pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle 1) No he isn't 2) What a daft comment but there again you seem to specialise in them 1) Check Companies House 2) Point proven
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SW2 18 Sep 19 1.51pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

1) No he isn't

2) What a daft comment but there again you seem to specialise in them

1) Check Companies House

2) Point proven

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Matov 18 Sep 19 1.53pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 To lose your marbles over brexit would seem somewhat careless, but he has... A fair point. But we had a vote on June 23rd 2016. A simple question. Two options. Leave or Remain. And more people voted for the former than the later. I believe passionately that has to be acted upon. That failure to do so puts everything at risk that I have been bought up to believe in as sacrosanct in terms of how this country is run. That voting is crucial. That votes have to count and that if you lose, you wipe your mouth and move on. And to see that mocked and belittled by people such as yourself does enrage me in a way that very little else ever has because you want me to vote again because you did not like the outcome. If it is madness to believe that 52 is a larger percentage than 48 then I wear the label with pride. And will do so to my dying day. And deep down, I genuinely believe that most Remainers, if they were completely honest, believe me. That actually it is them that have lost all reason and rationale. Because what you want is simply beyond logical comprehension. You are willing to smash the most basic principles upon which our system of Governance is based. But they have lost their s***. Become so wrapped up in this ludicrous notion of European Citizenship that they have thrown any semblance of logical thought out of the window. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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18 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

To lose your marbles over brexit would seem somewhat careless, but he has...

A fair point. But we had a vote on June 23rd 2016. A simple question. Two options. Leave or Remain. And more people voted for the former than the later.

I believe passionately that has to be acted upon. That failure to do so puts everything at risk that I have been bought up to believe in as sacrosanct in terms of how this country is run.

That voting is crucial. That votes have to count and that if you lose, you wipe your mouth and move on.

And to see that mocked and belittled by people such as yourself does enrage me in a way that very little else ever has because you want me to vote again because you did not like the outcome.

If it is madness to believe that 52 is a larger percentage than 48 then I wear the label with pride. And will do so to my dying day.

And deep down, I genuinely believe that most Remainers, if they were completely honest, believe me. That actually it is them that have lost all reason and rationale. Because what you want is simply beyond logical comprehension. You are willing to smash the most basic principles upon which our system of Governance is based.

But they have lost their s***. Become so wrapped up in this ludicrous notion of European Citizenship that they have thrown any semblance of logical thought out of the window.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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