We should’ve ostracised USA because of the KKK too.

COYP

I'm not sure why people find it hard to believe that there has been significant anti Russian sentiment in the Ukraine: It's historical.

All of the Ukrainian population are people with heritage from other countries....in a sense it's similar America (excepting the native Americans).

The most significant anti Russian sentiment is from Ukrainians who were from the former Soviet republics who were badly treated...or more actually whose's governments reflect that percent of the country....for example, there also be significant anti Russian feeling in Hungary, but their government isn't taking the same level of hostility....resources being more important to them.

I think it has to be stated that the majority of Ukrainians are like everyone else and want nothing to do with any of this.

As for the Nazi-line.....as it's been said it means something else in Eastern Europe than it does in western Europe.....Nazi means anti Russian or communist more than specifically anti Jewish, Hitler's regime having killed an estimated 27 million Russians. Eastern Europe hasn't been subjected to the same indoctrinations that western Europe has.....there's a lot of subtext to that but I'm not going there.

I have no criticisms for Ukrainians who want to defend their country....I do have criticisms for conscription where people have been forced to lose their lives....it hasn't been reported in the western media but Hungarian heritage Ukrainians have demonstrated against their men being conscripted.

A month or so ago, the Ukrainian regime were engaged in peace talks with Russia that seemed quite close to agreement. What is obvious to me is that since the western hawks have become involved that those peace moves have since gone off the table and Ukrainian officials are now making aggressive commentary.

Like I said weeks ago, the west wants a prolonged attritional war against Russia using Ukrainian lives as a proxy and have flooded the country with arms and money. Peace terms have been a lip service.

Once they decided on a cold war that's been the decision.....the vulnerable around the world will suffer both economically and with their lives.

A great play has been made that this is all about morality....I don't think it is....I think it's about money and power. If it were about morality then our regimes would have refused to deal with Saudi over the Yemen.

I stand for this war being over as soon as possible and that's the direct opposite of what's being done here.....it's been thrown to the wall.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2022 11.22am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This is precisely what propaganda is, yes. You are (relentlessly) attempting to legitimise the bombardment and slaying of a people based on internal political problems that exist in many countries, including at various points, our own.

Any reason you never highlight what is featured in the tightly controlled Russian state media? They are not exactly keeping their cards close to their chest. There is little mystery about what you and some others here would have happen through their (don't arm them / they're bad too) take.

What Russia should do with Ukraine [Link]

It's the literal pushed belief that any Ukrainian who opposes what is happening, defends his country or does not acknowledge being Russian is by default a 'nazi'. I advise everyone to give the above a read.

Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 12.11pm)

Stalin wasn't stupid, he knew what Hitler had written about communism and his intent to destroy it, 'living space' and all the rest of it. He knew that a war was coming, what he couldn't believe was the timing....He knew that Hitler himself had advised against two fronts, he naturally thought a war would come much later.

I wouldn't say they were 'friends', but it was in Russia's expansionist interests to team up at that time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2022 1.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nobody here has said the place in paradise on earth and without very significant problems, just against an invasion, bombardment and ongoing brutalisation of its people. Your relentless attempt to poison your own mind against a besieged people has more in common with neo nazi ideology than anything you have highlighted. Hunter Biden has to pop up in there too doesn't he lol. Politicians and their kids cashing in are (unfortunately) two a penny. The bloke's more crack head than puppet master. Putin had and has a choice over carpet bombing innocents. You're a disturbingly biased individual excused only by those on a similar trajectory. Wake up.

Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 3.36pm)

That was done in 2006 under a Russian puppet and crony of W12's mate Putin; nothing to do with Biden.

A bit of a Putinista own goal.