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TheBigToePunt Flag 03 Feb 21 1.51pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Since Kouyate joined he's managed 70 starts compared to Reidewald's 14 in the same period. Just goes to show how many times Roy gets it wrong.

No, it goes to show that you rate Riedewald above Kouyate, that's all.

You're entitled to do that (just as I happen to think Kouyate is the better player), but what is less reasonable is to present Hodgsons selection of player as some kind of professional misconduct just because you happen to disagree with it.

 

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jeeagles Flag 03 Feb 21 2.06pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

No, it goes to show that you rate Riedewald above Kouyate, that's all.

You're entitled to do that (just as I happen to think Kouyate is the better player), but what is less reasonable is to present Hodgsons selection of player as some kind of professional misconduct just because you happen to disagree with it.

Ineptitude and misconduct are completely different.

You seem completely unable to deduce what has been done differently in the few games we win, compared to the many we lose.

You may rate Kouyate, but his inability to control the ball or complete a pass lets the side down every time he plays. When paired with Luka and Jimmy Mac we simply couldn't hold onto the ball.

Roy had one good season, since then we've been playing within ourselves. Going into the Wolves game it seems something happened where he realised he had to change things, and its just shown that he's been making bad decisions all along.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 03 Feb 21 2.10pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Ineptitude and misconduct are completely different.

You seem completely unable to deduce what has been done differently in the few games we win, compared to the many we lose.

You may rate Kouyate, but his inability to control the ball or complete a pass lets the side down every time he plays. When paired with Luka and Jimmy Mac we simply couldn't hold onto the ball.

Roy had one good season, since then we've been playing within ourselves. Going into the Wolves game it seems something happened where he realised he had to change things, and its just shown that he's been making bad decisions all along.

Again, all in your opinion. Others have a different opinion, including, evidently, Hodgson.

How exactly that makes him inept is beyond me.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Feb 21 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Do you know I want to obey the forum rules and ensure I am courteous and respectful to other posters but when someone posts this absolute...

No, I'll behave.

Yeah you’re obviously a genius so how ridiculous of me

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 03 Feb 21 4.00pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Roy first season - amazing turnaround due to Zaha returning after missing start of season + reverting to 4-4-2 with Wilf and Townsend as the front two - this set up discombobulated Chelsea (2-1 first win).

second season - poor start rescued by playing Luka as the anchor and Schlupp and McArthur as inside forwards.

third season - no investement of AWB money in squad, season rescued by ultra shrewd key additions at bargain prices of Ayew and McCarthy - 7-0-3 formation adopted to grind out results which was the safest and surest way to attain safety.

this season - slowness and lack of creativity of our central midfielders exposed, inconsistent results, 4-4-2 not working (Roy's responsibility) reversion to 4-2-1-3 with Eze in the hole has all but secured safety.

Roy is only rigid in that he instills shape into the team as a safety net to ensure defensive solidity and reliability, once that shape is established the team is free to attack without making themselves vulnerable when they do attack.

There may be an over-reliance on 'shape', which is exposed when he manages top sides, but it is effective in getting results for the Fulhams, West Broms and Palaces of this world. Our performances v Man City and West Ham were very tame and all the criticism of Roy then was justified (and echoed by me), but he is both a genuine premier league class manager and a dignified and decent gentleman and we should be proud of having such a steward for our fine club. Having said that I hope he is kicked upstairs in the summer and we have a new, suitable coach to help us with the many changes we will have to make at the end of this season.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Feb 21 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Roy first season - amazing turnaround due to Zaha returning after missing start of season + reverting to 4-4-2 with Wilf and Townsend as the front two - this set up discombobulated Chelsea (2-1 first win).

second season - poor start rescued by playing Luka as the anchor and Schlupp and McArthur as inside forwards.

third season - no investement of AWB money in squad, season rescued by ultra shrewd key additions at bargain prices of Ayew and McCarthy - 7-0-3 formation adopted to grind out results which was the safest and surest way to attain safety.

this season - slowness and lack of creativity of our central midfielders exposed, inconsistent results, 4-4-2 not working (Roy's responsibility) reversion to 4-2-1-3 with Eze in the hole has all but secured safety.

Roy is only rigid in that he instills shape into the team as a safety net to ensure defensive solidity and reliability, once that shape is established the team is free to attack without making themselves vulnerable when they do attack.

There may be an over-reliance on 'shape', which is exposed when he manages top sides, but it is effective in getting results for the Fulhams, West Broms and Palaces of this world. Our performances v Man City and West Ham were very tame and all the criticism of Roy then was justified (and echoed by me), but he is both a genuine premier league class manager and a dignified and decent gentleman and we should be proud of having such a steward for our fine club. Having said that I hope he is kicked upstairs in the summer and we have a new, suitable coach to help us with the many changes we will have to make at the end of this season.

With the greatest of respect, this terminology is very disrespectful towards Mr Hodgson who is a decent and honourable gentleman and a manager who has ensured our survival season-on-season and there is the expectancy that we will once again be ploughing our furrow in the PL next campaign.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 03 Feb 21 4.12pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Roy first season - amazing turnaround due to Zaha returning after missing start of season + reverting to 4-4-2 with Wilf and Townsend as the front two - this set up discombobulated Chelsea (2-1 first win).

second season - poor start rescued by playing Luka as the anchor and Schlupp and McArthur as inside forwards.

third season - no investement of AWB money in squad, season rescued by ultra shrewd key additions at bargain prices of Ayew and McCarthy - 7-0-3 formation adopted to grind out results which was the safest and surest way to attain safety.

this season - slowness and lack of creativity of our central midfielders exposed, inconsistent results, 4-4-2 not working (Roy's responsibility) reversion to 4-2-1-3 with Eze in the hole has all but secured safety.

Roy is only rigid in that he instills shape into the team as a safety net to ensure defensive solidity and reliability, once that shape is established the team is free to attack without making themselves vulnerable when they do attack.

There may be an over-reliance on 'shape', which is exposed when he manages top sides, but it is effective in getting results for the Fulhams, West Broms and Palaces of this world. Our performances v Man City and West Ham were very tame and all the criticism of Roy then was justified (and echoed by me), but he is both a genuine premier league class manager and a dignified and decent gentleman and we should be proud of having such a steward for our fine club. Having said that I hope he is kicked upstairs in the summer and we have a new, suitable coach to help us with the many changes we will have to make at the end of this season.


I suspect there'll be fewer changes than many think or hope for. Change requires money and our board has been slow to release it for transfers. If Hodgson succeeds in getting us further up the table to finish c10th or 11th then I'm not sure the board will see the need to do much more than extend most of the existing contracts and say to Hodgson, "Carry on Roy" and "we're going to buy one or two new younger players for you".

 

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est1905 Flag 03 Feb 21 5.20pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Possession and chances are facts and tell the story of the game yesterday. We were the better team for only a quarter of the game.

I find it amusing some try to pass it off as a managerial masterclass and 'according to plan' as by default you would have to accept that our baron streaks and hammerings are also down to the manager and the so called 'plan' which does not work more than it does work and fails miserably too often.

We did not win on merit or according to plan, we won through luck in a game of tight margins as we occasionally lose these too - things went our way yesterday as sometimes they do not.

You talk rubbish. Possession means nothing if you cant do anything with it. As for chances, if the chances Newcastle had last night qualify as good chances I would say thats very misleading. I didn't think we were ever in any real danger once we got in front.
The only stat that matters is the score after 90 mins. You talk like you WANT us to lose.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Feb 21 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

You talk rubbish. Possession means nothing if you cant do anything with it. As for chances, if the chances Newcastle had last night qualify as good chances I would say thats very misleading. I didn't think we were ever in any real danger once we got in front.
The only stat that matters is the score after 90 mins. You talk like you WANT us to lose.

Now that is talking rubbish.

Luck in games like that always plays a part, we could have scored twice more for 4-1, they could have scored another 3 or 4 and beaten us comfortably. Any cross could just fall, the Fraser 1 on 1 (not seen it mentioned much but GREAT reflex save), the free-kick, a couple of heroic last ditch blocks, one final pass that finds it's way through etc. etc.

Saying we were never in any real danger is a nonsensical thing to say, it can be your gut feeling but doesn't represent fact. They had the vast majority of the ball and most the play was closer to our goal, any bit of luck can lead to them scoring. I didn't feel like they were going to score against us at Selhurst but they got 2.

We weren't great yesterday but we got 2 good goals in our decent spell and of course the final result which is what matters.

Try not to get so worked up and make childish statements - "It's like you want us to lose", I'm not 12 and guess or hope you aren't either.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 03 Feb 21 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Roy first season - amazing turnaround due to Zaha returning after missing start of season + reverting to 4-4-2 with Wilf and Townsend as the front two - this set up discombobulated Chelsea (2-1 first win).

second season - poor start rescued by playing Luka as the anchor and Schlupp and McArthur as inside forwards.

third season - no investement of AWB money in squad, season rescued by ultra shrewd key additions at bargain prices of Ayew and McCarthy - 7-0-3 formation adopted to grind out results which was the safest and surest way to attain safety.

this season - slowness and lack of creativity of our central midfielders exposed, inconsistent results, 4-4-2 not working (Roy's responsibility) reversion to 4-2-1-3 with Eze in the hole has all but secured safety.

Roy is only rigid in that he instills shape into the team as a safety net to ensure defensive solidity and reliability, once that shape is established the team is free to attack without making themselves vulnerable when they do attack.

There may be an over-reliance on 'shape', which is exposed when he manages top sides, but it is effective in getting results for the Fulhams, West Broms and Palaces of this world. Our performances v Man City and West Ham were very tame and all the criticism of Roy then was justified (and echoed by me), but he is both a genuine premier league class manager and a dignified and decent gentleman and we should be proud of having such a steward for our fine club. Having said that I hope he is kicked upstairs in the summer and we have a new, suitable coach to help us with the many changes we will have to make at the end of this season.

This is a fair enough assessment..!!

COYP

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 03 Feb 21 7.28pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, this terminology is very disrespectful towards Mr Hodgson who is a decent and honourable gentleman and a manager who has ensured our survival season-on-season and there is the expectancy that we will once again be ploughing our furrow in the PL next campaign.

help! I think I was pretty respectful overall, just a turn of phrase mate, that's all.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 03 Feb 21 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, this terminology is very disrespectful towards Mr Hodgson who is a decent and honourable gentleman and a manager who has ensured our survival season-on-season and there is the expectancy that we will once again be ploughing our furrow in the PL next campaign.

I certainty hope not Willo - or is that all part of your cunning plan to finally see your perennial prediction of us going being relegated finally come to fruition..!!

Look on last nights game I thought for a period we looked really good were passing the ball and looked fluid in possession and formation.

IMO this came about because during that period Roy had finally ditched his rigid defensive 4-4-2 and moved to 4-2-3-1, that so many of us here on here have been calling for, for so long, given the resources at Roy's disposal.

It's no coincidence that our fluidity in that period also coincided with Jario being on the pitch - again something so many have been calling for to bring some creativity to central midfield rather than the tired old formation of Milo and MacArthur.

The move also saw Eze playing in the 10 role so able to be more involved and link play rather than being stuck out on the left in a rigid 4-4-2.

Then the change we got on top, reverted to type and 4-4-2, to protect the lead and we looked so much the poorer for it..!!

Let's be honest on another night we would/could have lost - Newcastle had numerous chances..!!

It's for these reasons for me it's time to move on and Roy to go with all our Thanks for all he has done.

Reading some of the comments on here, I do wonder whether some people actually watch the game or just look at the result..!!

COYP

 

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