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 Stirlingsays  05 Jan 20 11.15am |
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All this obsession with Murdoch and the right wing press.....who most of the right can't stand either. Newspapers have far less numbers and hence less reach than the TV companies and social media. Where's the complaining about the lack of objectivity on Brexit by the BBC? The far left stance of Channel 4 news.....The estrogen nature of ITV news. All the social media tech companies are far left and no friend of the right wing....regularly banning conservative adverts and commentators. They do as much as they can and still stay within an arguable place with the law....which is being challenged. All of them look to influence. It's all so myopic. There is no pro right wing TV company producing in the UK......I'll accept neo and social liberal with the BBC....So centralist at most...but also pro Remain. Television and social media has more influence.....some people are perhaps stuck in the past. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2020 11.16am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 11.15am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why is she opposed to Johnson? My daughter has worked for Mike Bloomberg and has a very well rounded experience of both British and EU politics. She worked in Germany for several years as well as in other European countries. Whether she has actually every met Johnson is unknown to me but her view of where the future of the UK ought to be has not been formed by any media influences.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Jan 20 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The real elite are those who stand behind the newspapers and seek to influence their thinking. I don't so much as lack respect for the "intelligence" of the public as am a realist about how opinions can be, and are being, manipulated. When you lead a busy life and your sources of information are limited you are inevitably going to be impacted, no matter how intelligent you might be. I disagree about people already having their opinions and only seeking confirmation. They might be tending that way but the media can move them further and harden opinions. Murdoch has certainly shifted his allegiances and made deals with various politicians in the past in an effort to promote his world view. Then the Daily Mail is exclusively read by Corbyn supporters who are seeking a balanced view? Seems more likely, as with most newspapers that it’s readership are already in agreement with its viewpoint.
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| chris123 hove actually 05 Jan 20 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That made me laugh! The idea that I am "elitist" in any way at all is really very funny. Unless, of course, believing in Parliamentary democracy is elitist. I don't, by the way, believe that "everyone else is wrong" at all. I believe that many, if not indeed most, people are right. It's just here, dominated as it is by a totally unrepresentative group, that I am in such a small minority. And where does the legitimacy of a Parliamentary democracy come from?
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jan 20 11.18am |
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Worked for Mike Bloomberg....the media mogul. Dislikes Murdoch....apparently likes Bloomberg. Views apparently aren't formed by any media influences. Honesty....this comedy writes itself sometimes. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2020 11.22am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 11.34am |
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Mike Bloomberg, for those who don't know, has many business interests. His TV station is but one part of them. My daughter worked in his financial services businesses and her primary contacts were share traders. She had no involvement at all with the media side of his business. She knew him slightly but knows of his integrity much more and respects him greatly as a man of high principles. She has always been pro-EU since writing her dissertation on a "two speed" Europe many years ago.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jan 20 11.48am |
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'Mike' Bloomberg is no man of principle. As mayor of New York he is responsible for a lack of affordable housing options. stagnating wages and increasingly gentrified neighborhoods allied to an increase in homelessness. While he did ok on crime by being tough look at what your 'principled' man is doing now over his record.....apologizing to the Democrats about locking up minorities. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2020 11.49am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 05 Jan 20 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My daughter has worked for Mike Bloomberg and has a very well rounded experience of both British and EU politics. She worked in Germany for several years as well as in other European countries. Whether she has actually every met Johnson is unknown to me but her view of where the future of the UK ought to be has not been formed by any media influences. So she took her knowledge from the media then!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So she took her knowledge from the media then! Trust me my daughter is very much her own person and would laugh her socks off at the idea that she has any "daddy bias". She has never been either a MP or MEP. She has simply had a career in the city. Bloomberg TV is highly focussed on business and the markets and only reaches a targeted market. So far as I am aware it has no specific political stance at all, despite Mike Bloomberg putting his name forward as a possible Democratic candidate. We will have to see if that now changes.In any case my daughter was not involved with that division. Given the kind of people my daughter was in daily contact with if anyone was going to influence her then she would likely be a Tory. Which she has always been, like me, until Cameron messed up which resulted in Johnson. We reached our conclusions completely independently of each other. Mike Bloomberg went up very significantly in my estimation when he started to criticise Trump as fiercely as he has done.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jan 20 6.42pm |
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Nothing I've heard here surprises me in the least.
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| cryrst The garden of England 05 Jan 20 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trust me my daughter is very much her own person and would laugh her socks off at the idea that she has any "daddy bias". She has never been either a MP or MEP. She has simply had a career in the city. Bloomberg TV is highly focussed on business and the markets and only reaches a targeted market. So far as I am aware it has no specific political stance at all, despite Mike Bloomberg putting his name forward as a possible Democratic candidate. We will have to see if that now changes.In any case my daughter was not involved with that division. Given the kind of people my daughter was in daily contact with if anyone was going to influence her then she would likely be a Tory. Which she has always been, like me, until Cameron messed up which resulted in Johnson. We reached our conclusions completely independently of each other. Mike Bloomberg went up very significantly in my estimation when he started to criticise Trump as fiercely as he has done. So because he criticised someone you criticize hes a good bloke.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So because he criticised someone you criticize hes a good bloke. No. Because it's good to hear someone who is themselves very wealthy and could potentially benefit from the kind of policies being pursued by the Republicans under Trump, recognising the folly of the current administration. It's good to know that in the USA someone is also prepared to put the national interest before their own, just as those MPs did in the last Parliament here, even to the point of spending a large amount of his personal fortune in doing so. Whether you agree with him or not that is worthy of admiration.
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