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  Hrolf The Ganger  22 Jun 16 8.22pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I've come across a really good book which lays out a very convincing case for uniting the peoples of Europe under one banner and expanding that ideal across the continent whilst at the same time, standing up to the threat from Russia. The Remain camp should love it. Ha ha. Very good.
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| Rubin 22 Jun 16 8.25pm |
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0.5% year after year quickly adds up to a lot more than 0.5%
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Turkey won't join fer years You know this for a fact do you? Cameron is right behind their entry as he has previously said.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 8.28pm |
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How short sighted he is. It's amazing how you can use statistics to disguise the bigger picture.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You know this for a fact do you? Cameron is right behind their entry as he has previously said. He also said at the current rate it will take until 3000 Turkish Eagle has also given detailed reasons as to why earlier in the thread
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jun 16 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You know this for a fact do you? Cameron is right behind their entry as he has previously said. And the EU want to accelerate their "Accession". In fact the EU would like everyone in, one big 'Family', a 'United States of Europe'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 8.38pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
He also said at the current rate it will take until 3000 Turkish Eagle has also given detailed reasons as to why earlier in the thread You believe that? It will be a lot sooner than that.
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| turkish eagle 22 Jun 16 8.43pm |
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Yeah ok. I'm 51. I will be getting my pension first. Is it possible to be a 'little bit racist?'
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SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 22 Jun 16 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
He also said at the current rate it will take until 3000 Turkish Eagle has also given detailed reasons as to why earlier in the thread Turkey applied to join the EU in 1959. It has therefore taken 57 years between their application and the opening of the negotiation process. The negotiation process nowadays typically takes around 10 years for countries which are in a significantly better position than Turkey (economically, politically and geographically). Negotiation with Turkey is highly unlikely to be completed in a minimum of 15 years and that assumes they would instigate all the reforms needed which, for now, seems unlikely. They would also need to provide guarantees to secure their external border, which in reality they never could do. And, even if they did everything required, all countries have a veto. France has already promised that they would hold a referendum on Turkish accession before deciding. It would therefore be highly foolish of the UK to say they would veto it, when they don't need to at this stage (and unnecessarily damage bilateral relations). Turkey is a complete red herring and the fact is that Gove and Johnson both know that and are deliberately misrepresenting the situation.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by SloveniaDave
Turkey applied to join the EU in 1959. It has therefore taken 57 years between their application and the opening of the negotiation process. The negotiation process nowadays typically takes around 10 years for countries which are in a significantly better position than Turkey (economically, politically and geographically). Negotiation with Turkey is highly unlikely to be completed in a minimum of 15 years and that assumes they would instigate all the reforms needed which, for now, seems unlikely. They would also need to provide guarantees to secure their external border, which in reality they never could do. And, even if they did everything required, all countries have a veto. France has already promised that they would hold a referendum on Turkish accession before deciding. It would therefore be highly foolish of the UK to say they would veto it, when they don't need to at this stage (and unnecessarily damage bilateral relations). Turkey is a complete red herring and the fact is that Gove and Johnson both know that and are deliberately misrepresenting the situation. There are several other countries who could join. Let's not get hung up on Turkey.
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| SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 22 Jun 16 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There are several other countries who could join. Let's not get hung up on Turkey. True, and they are much more likely to join well before Turkey (Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia). The main difference is that their total combined population is 17m. whereas Turkey has a population of 80m. Bringing all of the above counties would not change the external borders of the EU at all - it would just fill the gap between Croatia, Greece and Bulgaria. Turkey would add well over 2000km to the external border of the EU. So quite rightly it is the focus of attention compared to the others and a large part of the reason why their membership is a long, long way away.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by SloveniaDave
True, and they are much more likely to join well before Turkey (Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia). The main difference is that their total combined population is 17m. whereas Turkey has a population of 80m. Bringing all of the above counties would not change the external borders of the EU at all - it would just fill the gap between Croatia, Greece and Bulgaria. Turkey would add well over 2000km to the external border of the EU. So quite rightly it is the focus of attention compared to the others and a large part of the reason why their membership is a long, long way away. True. Turkey has a large population and holds a key position geographically and militarily. That is why Europe will want to bend over backward to make them Europeans.
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