Very few statistics,whether on immigration or anything else, are perfect but they can certainly be capable of indicating what the general situation is. Allowing for that,governments etc work on what they can for planning etc all the time.

As an example,statistics on Brits living in the EU. There's a lower statistic based on Brits being defined as people born here,and a higher one if Brits are defined as people holding British nationality.But,both stats aren't 100% due to those Brits living in the EU no stats pick up.Does that mean the statistics are not of some use as an indicator? Absolutely not.

It applies equally to statistics used to suggest a conclusion of overall pluses or minuses over immigration,so if you want to say the stats you criticise are useless because they are not 100% exact as indicators,it may well be that some of those that have helped shape your thinking are equally invalid (or valid) as a general indicator.

So,of course someone can quantify financial benefits based on statistics that may not be exactly perfect and it can usefully indicate the general nature of any financial benefits arising.If you are on a genuine quest to assess the statistical methodology used in the UCL study indicating significant financial benefits with an open mind,I think I posted a link to the report itself back on this thread somewhere or I can PM you one and you can examine their statistical and research methodology directly.If you think any input is too high or low, you can do a rough tweak to the outcome accordingly,and assess whether financial benefits remain generally positive.but be sure to adjust everything relevant not just a particular input or outcome that supports your point of view.

As for spin, it is hardly something confined to any one particular point of view. The same applies to "closed minds".

IMO our water supply is most likely to fail due to chronic under investment in new mains/pipes etc over the past 100 years plus,just like our sewage system in London.

Edited by legaleagle (12 Mar 2015 1.20am)

Another lazy Kermit smear.

So you think, for example, the law should force employers to employ people who cannot speak Engish when they are client facing?

He is not saying he will scrap all the legislation but some of it.

You are laughable in your obsession with ukip. It makes me think you are a latent ukipper. You wear sandals and a noth face jacket in the daytime when tutting with your fwends in cafe Nero about UKIP, but at night you don a blazer and pleasure yourself over free market thinking.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

That's crap and you know it. In that scenario, the best person suited to the job gets it.

What Farage wants is for an employer to be able to employ a less qualified British worker just because he doesn't like foreigners.

Also, for all the talk of the effect on infrastructure, 25% of GPs in the NHS were born outside the UK. Without immigration there would be no NHS.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

I must admit, I was never a big fan of Charlene when Dallas was on. I was much more into Deborah Shelton, who later went on to have a boob job and star in erotic softcore movies - almost EXACTLY the advice I would have given her at the time (and that's not all I would have given her). But I was watching an old rerun a few weeks back and Charlene nipped into a barn with a cowboy for a quick sesh and I just thought 'how the f*ck did I miss that?' I was also struck by how YOUNG everyone looked, even JR. At the time of course, they were a bunch of old b*stards.

I hope Nick will ask the Faith Brown question though as it might tell you a lot about the panellists. Personally I think Faith would have too much in her locker, too many tricks in her book, for Charlene not to come first. I can imagine Faith would have too many fingers in too many pies. I don't think there'd be much in it though. Faith would probably orgasm moments later, while Charlene chomps on her dartboard-sized nipples.

Once they've got their first orgasms under their belt, I'd say Charlene would probably go on to enjoy multiples, while Faith - possibly a little disturbed by how MUCH she's enjoying herself - might hold back, possibly due to something which happened in her childhood but that's pure speculation on my part.

Nick, when is Any Questions?

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''careful Penny - we don't know what we're dealing with here''

We've got sacs of time then

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Farage is reported today as saying in the TV interview that the law/s making it illegal for employers to discriminate against people on grounds of race or colour should be abolished since they are "irrelevant".This on the basis that "we as a party are colour-blind".

So,the colour blind party plan to make it perfectly ok for people not to be colour blind.

You really couldn't make it up...

And as the old school populist politician becomes more and more desperate to gather votes,we see how much the EU is actually his sole raison d'etre.

Edited by legaleagle (12 Mar 2015 2.20pm)