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  Hrolf The Ganger  10 Apr 20 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Oh the selfish behaviour of many individuals not listening has obviously contributed massively, but the late and confused messaging from the lot in charge added to this. Been reading up about New Zealand’s impressive fast approach - they’ve had 1 death in total. We would have had 1 death in the time it took me to write this post. A country with a population less than London and bigger in size than Great Britain. Nice one. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Apr 2020 11.06pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Apr 20 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A country with a population less than London and bigger in size than Great Britain. Nice one. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Apr 2020 11.06pm) New Zealand's population is around 4.7 Million.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 10 Apr 20 11.17pm |
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What we have done is akin to sending our boys to fight in a war, but without any ammo, and then excusing it with, who knew there was going to be a war? You would think that a rich country such as ours , would be better equipped for such an emergency, maybe not totally equipped with ventilators and ppe, but a lot better than we have seen! And although we don"t want to proportion blame just yet, until the battle is over, 10 years of being at the helm should be the first port of call for an answer surely?
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| DanH SW2 10 Apr 20 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A country with a population less than London and bigger in size than Great Britain. Nice one. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Apr 2020 11.06pm) Of course it’s easier to manage but they took extremely effective steps without hesitation. We dallied and are paying the price.
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Teddy Eagle  10 Apr 20 11.28pm |
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This might have had something to do with it.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Apr 20 11.32pm |
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I think it's a bit basic to judge the UK solely on New Zealand. Of the countries that have gone full lockdown they may have or may not have done the best. However, as said there are other factors, plus the fact that they have to come out of lockdown as well and when they do their 'herd immunity' is going to be far less than with others. We won't know the best approaches between 'herd immunity' v 'herd immunity/partial lockdown' v full lockdown until a vaccine is mass produced and the analysts can view this all historically with deaths and the economic costs of approaches all factored in. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2020 11.33pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Apr 20 11.34pm |
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| Stirlingsays 10 Apr 20 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
What we have done is akin to sending our boys to fight in a war, but without any ammo, and then excusing it with, who knew there was going to be a war? You would think that a rich country such as ours , would be better equipped for such an emergency, maybe not totally equipped with ventilators and ppe, but a lot better than we have seen! And although we don"t want to proportion blame just yet, until the battle is over, 10 years of being at the helm should be the first port of call for an answer surely? Very Russian.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Apr 20 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Very Russian. The way things are going it might be a plan, enroll them in at 14, just in case someone fancies flexing there muscle in the current crisis, a bit like dads army in reverse! Yesterday on sky news, they were at Croydon university hospital, half hospital is now corona patients only, and one girl on the ward getting stuck in was a trolly dolly, makes you think doesn"t it!
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| SavoyTruffle 11 Apr 20 12.14am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Nothing to do with people not listening and taking our governments advice then. Like not going to the parks or beaches 3 weeks ago. Have you got the info on if any of these deaths were people who didnt take the advice because it's a little coincidental do you think. We haven’t even hit post lockdown deaths yet, average days from contracting the virus to death is 25 days. The deaths today likely were contracted before we went into lockdown, so as much as I’m sure the government would appreciate you shifting the blame for them at this stage the general public were following the governments guidelines.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 20 12.28am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think it's a bit basic to judge the UK solely on New Zealand. Of the countries that have gone full lockdown they may have or may not have done the best. However, as said there are other factors, plus the fact that they have to come out of lockdown as well and when they do their 'herd immunity' is going to be far less than with others. We won't know the best approaches between 'herd immunity' v 'herd immunity/partial lockdown' v full lockdown until a vaccine is mass produced and the analysts can view this all historically with deaths and the economic costs of approaches all factored in. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2020 11.33pm) Very true. I’ll concede that it’s expected or predictable that those who understand the lockdown use deaths now whereas those who support no lockdown really have to use a ‘‘we’ll see’’ stance because none of the countries can be compared to us. It takes a few days for it to sink home. We all know the English channel and northern sea puts a distance between us and our neighbours that those in schengen don’t have. Even after the comparisons are done, I wonder if cultural or behavioural differences are taken into account. Probably not. I’ll not use accurate stereotypes here but we know Germans are more obedient, law abiding and government advice following than Britons. They like and respond to rules. And Swedes are more socially aware and value society and others more than Britons. Unless we see the old bill meaning business, we, well enough of a minority of us, carry on doing what we wanna do. Herd immunity will probably spread it faster in the U.K. than other European countries if that’s the way we go. All because of a diet eating flying vermin. Why can’t they just require an unnecessary gluten or lactose free diet instead?
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| SavoyTruffle 11 Apr 20 12.28am |
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Avg U.K. manager to worker ratio is 1:6 for private companies. In the NHS it’s closer to 1:30. If anything the NHS is functioning well beyond its remit in value for money...
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