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 Teddy Eagle  04 Jan 20 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not that their electorate decided to vote them out that disturbs me. That's their right and indeed their duty. It's why they did and how they reached that decision. For me it's yet more evidence of malign influences at work, especially in the right wing press. In addition it shows the increasing stranglehold of the party system which is turning our MPs into voting machines and policy being handed over to party activists and not in the hands of our elected representatives. It's this I regard as unhealthy. Why malign influences? Offering the country a choice, not accepting their decision and losing your seat over it doesn’t immediately mean the presence of some mysterious cabal.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 20 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
David Gauke is an arrogant piece of work, responsible for some of the most draconian tax legislation ever introduced. He wasn’t principled then. One of my daughters lives in his constituency. She doesn't much like him either but held her nose and voted for him because she is totally opposed to Johnson, the current Tories and Brexit, and could never vote Labour. She saw him as the best option in these circumstances. I was just surprised that more didn't as all her friends took the same approach.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Jan 20 11.01pm |
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If you have a s***e product you can be as 'active' as you like. No one with sense is going to buy it. That's just happened.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 20 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why malign influences? Offering the country a choice, not accepting their decision and losing your seat over it doesn’t immediately mean the presence of some mysterious cabal. It's not mysterious at all. I see the behaviour of the popular right wing press to be scurrilous and truly malign in their intention. However if you think that the Sun, Star, Express and Mail are bastions of truth and objectivity then you are not going to see that. If you believe that their owners,including Murdoch,have no interest in pushing their own agendas into the UK political scene and just want to report the facts, then I disagree. These are, together with the foreign invasion of social media bots, the malign influences which are poisoning our politics. Before anyone shouts "conspiracy theory" just remember that our own security services agree.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Jan 20 11.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not mysterious at all. I see the behaviour of the popular right wing press to be scurrilous and truly malign in their intention. However if you think that the Sun, Star, Express and Mail are bastions of truth and objectivity then you are not going to see that. If you believe that their owners,including Murdoch,have no interest in pushing their own agendas into the UK political scene and just want to report the facts, then I disagree. These are, together with the foreign invasion of social media bots, the malign influences which are poisoning our politics. Before anyone shouts "conspiracy theory" just remember that our own security services agree. For someone who claims not to be elitist that shows very little respect for the intelligence of the public; it’s unlikely many people get their political opinions direct from the Star and the Mail & Express are only read by people who agree with their viewpoint anyway. The Sun shifts allegiance as it judges opinion to be heading and the fact it’s circulation doesn’t seem to be affected whether it supports a Thatcher or a Blair indicates it’s readership aren’t particularly bothered either way.
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Jan 20 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
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cryrst  The garden of England 05 Jan 20 7.31am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
One of my daughters lives in his constituency. She doesn't much like him either but held her nose and voted for him because she is totally opposed to Johnson, the current Tories and Brexit, and could never vote Labour. She saw him as the best option in these circumstances. I was just surprised that more didn't as all her friends took the same approach. Why is she opposed to Johnson?
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| cryrst The garden of England 05 Jan 20 7.38am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'm pretty sure you can apply economic models to determine whether the country would have been stronger in or out. But you're right. As anyone who has lost a limb will say you just have to get on with it. Fair enough but that's assuming people only used finance as a reason to vote brexit.
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Jan 20 10.09am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Fair enough but that's assuming people only used finance as a reason to vote brexit. Clearly it isn’t the case No financial advantage for the majority has ever been effectively put forward The advantage for many of the cheerleaders is rather more clear. Edited by Mapletree (05 Jan 2020 10.10am)
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| Eaglecoops CR3 05 Jan 20 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
One of my daughters lives in his constituency. She doesn't much like him either but held her nose and voted for him because she is totally opposed to Johnson, the current Tories and Brexit, and could never vote Labour. She saw him as the best option in these circumstances. I was just surprised that more didn't as all her friends took the same approach. You have just family and friends to argue against your own principle here, that people should vote for the individual who does the most good rather than a party.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
For someone who claims not to be elitist that shows very little respect for the intelligence of the public; it’s unlikely many people get their political opinions direct from the Star and the Mail & Express are only read by people who agree with their viewpoint anyway. The Sun shifts allegiance as it judges opinion to be heading and the fact it’s circulation doesn’t seem to be affected whether it supports a Thatcher or a Blair indicates it’s readership aren’t particularly bothered either way. The real elite are those who stand behind the newspapers and seek to influence their thinking. I don't so much as lack respect for the "intelligence" of the public as am a realist about how opinions can be, and are being, manipulated. When you lead a busy life and your sources of information are limited you are inevitably going to be impacted, no matter how intelligent you might be. I disagree about people already having their opinions and only seeking confirmation. They might be tending that way but the media can move them further and harden opinions. Murdoch has certainly shifted his allegiances and made deals with various politicians in the past in an effort to promote his world view.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 20 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That made me laugh! The idea that I am "elitist" in any way at all is really very funny. Unless, of course, believing in Parliamentary democracy is elitist. I don't, by the way, believe that "everyone else is wrong" at all. I believe that many, if not indeed most, people are right. It's just here, dominated as it is by a totally unrepresentative group, that I am in such a small minority.
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