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 Hansy  23 May 17 11.25am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I see no evidence that, if Labour win, their MPs won't back such legislation. They only don't like Corbyn as they don't think he can win. If he does win I would imagine many would be keen to get down to the job of governing. Yeah, he has got a good chance now yet most still don't campaign with him. Polls are hard to go by though, as we saw with Ed Miliband winning in Polls only to lose out to a shock majority for DC. If Labour wins, and they cannot gain single market access/free movement with the EU. There will need to be immigration laws, and trade laws also. I wish we had David Miliband back :/ Edited by Hansy (23 May 2017 11.26am)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 23 May 17 11.52am |
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Since election rules have kicked in for the media, Corbyn's net positivity rating among the public has climbed 41 points. Labour have made massive gains in Wales last week, and even in England they're sitting on around 38% of the vote. Every time May gets on to a podium with the words 'strong and stable' smeared across it, most of the country will be laughing at her. This is an astonishing time in British politics, and anyone who thinks the Tories aren't bricking it clearly hasn't seen their recent media performances. I reckon the next set of polls will show the lead down to less than 5 points. Once it's in the margin of error, it's anyone's game. Can the Tories hold together and find enough mud to sling to stop Corbyn's current momentum? Probably, but I seriously doubt they'll now get the majority May was looking for.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair. Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy. VAT is a flat Tax and that is what we are talking about. I would rather increase that than income tax because you have a choice to spend or not. Using the term 'unfair' is entirely subjective in this case. I suppose you think it's 'unfair' that some people are wealthier than others.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 11.59am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
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Since election rules have kicked in for the media, Corbyn's net positivity rating among the public has climbed 41 points. Labour have made massive gains in Wales last week, and even in England they're sitting on around 38% of the vote. Every time May gets on to a podium with the words 'strong and stable' smeared across it, most of the country will be laughing at her. This is an astonishing time in British politics, and anyone who thinks the Tories aren't bricking it clearly hasn't seen their recent media performances. I reckon the next set of polls will show the lead down to less than 5 points. Once it's in the margin of error, it's anyone's game. Can the Tories hold together and find enough mud to sling to stop Corbyn's current momentum? Probably, but I seriously doubt they'll now get the majority May was looking for. The man who wants to 'negotiate' with ISIS. Don't vote for this idiot.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 May 17 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
VAT is a flat Tax and that is what we are talking about. I would rather increase that than income tax because you have a choice to spend or not. Using the term 'unfair' is entirely subjective in this case. I suppose you think it's 'unfair' that some people are wealthier than others. Necessities you need to live are not a choice. And it's not a flat tax. It's known the world over as a regressive tax because, as we've explained, the percentage of your income paid in tax lowers as you earn more. You also save more which means less tax revenue and probably raising the tax rate.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Necessities you need to live are not a choice. And it's not a flat tax. It's known the world over as a regressive tax because, as we've explained, the percentage of your income paid in tax lowers as you earn more. You also save more which means less tax revenue and probably raising the tax rate. Please don't condescend. You aren't that clever. Your view is heavily prejudiced by your politics. Necessities are not taxed and of course you pay a lower percentage of income in VAT if you are better off. It's called being better off. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 May 2017 12.27pm)
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| Hansy 23 May 17 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
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Since election rules have kicked in for the media, Corbyn's net positivity rating among the public has climbed 41 points. Labour have made massive gains in Wales last week, and even in England they're sitting on around 38% of the vote. Every time May gets on to a podium with the words 'strong and stable' smeared across it, most of the country will be laughing at her. This is an astonishing time in British politics, and anyone who thinks the Tories aren't bricking it clearly hasn't seen their recent media performances. I reckon the next set of polls will show the lead down to less than 5 points. Once it's in the margin of error, it's anyone's game. Can the Tories hold together and find enough mud to sling to stop Corbyn's current momentum? Probably, but I seriously doubt they'll now get the majority May was looking for. I wouldn't read too much into Polls. - Ed Miliband was neck and neck with DC in 2015. Yet DC won by majority. Anything can happen. Edited by Hansy (23 May 2017 12.30pm)
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| Stirlingsays 23 May 17 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
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Since election rules have kicked in for the media, Corbyn's net positivity rating among the public has climbed 41 points. Labour have made massive gains in Wales last week, and even in England they're sitting on around 38% of the vote. Every time May gets on to a podium with the words 'strong and stable' smeared across it, most of the country will be laughing at her. This is an astonishing time in British politics, and anyone who thinks the Tories aren't bricking it clearly hasn't seen their recent media performances. I reckon the next set of polls will show the lead down to less than 5 points. Once it's in the margin of error, it's anyone's game. Can the Tories hold together and find enough mud to sling to stop Corbyn's current momentum? Probably, but I seriously doubt they'll now get the majority May was looking for. You are amusing if nothing else.... on a day like this at least that's something. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2017 12.34pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It is already here with 20% VAT [VAT of course being something that membership of the EEC (EU) insisted upon] VAT is a regressive tax. The debate is on replacing income tax with what I assume would have to be a higher sales tax.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 May 17 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Please don't condescend. You aren't that clever. Your view is heavily prejudiced by your politics. Necessities are not taxed and of course you pay a lower percentage of income in VAT if you are better off. It's called being better off. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 May 2017 12.27pm) You're not being very clever mate. Value added tax being regressive is an economic belief/theory/proven effect and term given to such a tax system/idea yet you're in favour of it. If it was such a good idea it would've been a tax system in the western world by now or at least for a time and the tea party would be visiting Saudi Arabia right now. Oh and I wasn't being condescending. You're being a bit stubborn don't ya think? Oh and the better off would save more and the worker off would be even worse off, getting into debt, gap widening etc etc.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 May 17 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The man who wants to 'negotiate' with ISIS. Don't vote for this idiot. As opposed to voting for the idiots that fall over themselves to back the regimes that actively promote the spread of extreme wahhabi islam ? Quality advice.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
VAT is a regressive tax. The debate is on replacing income tax with what I assume would have to be a higher sales tax. I agree with you for once, Income Tax is much fairer than VAT.
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