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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 11.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it isn't. I doubt anyone other than the drafters have actually read the whole treaty. Including you! Like everyone I read the detailed summary of it's provisions and not the convoluted legal language and cross referencing of the treaty itself I have challenged you to show us all where it says anything even remotely resembling the fantasies you claimed. You have failed to do so. If it's there show us where. That's such a glorious opportunity to prove me wrong that if you fail to take it up it can only be because it doesn't exist. You claim to be the expert so now prove it. I do not claim to an expert but I do claim to be able to read even if you cannot or will not. Also I do not need to prove anything to a person like you that is so argumentative and really such an unintelligent human being. I am not alone in my opinion of you as many other people on this thread and other threads have mentioned !! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 11.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it isn't. I doubt anyone other than the drafters have actually read the whole treaty. Including you! Like everyone I read the detailed summary of it's provisions and not the convoluted legal language and cross referencing of the treaty itself

I have challenged you to show us all where it says anything even remotely resembling the fantasies you claimed.

You have failed to do so. If it's there show us where. That's such a glorious opportunity to prove me wrong that if you fail to take it up it can only be because it doesn't exist.

You claim to be the expert so now prove it.

I do not claim to an expert but I do claim to be able to read even if you cannot or will not. Also I do not need to prove anything to a person like you that is so argumentative and really such an unintelligent human being. I am not alone in my opinion of you as many other people on this thread and other threads have mentioned !!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 11.52am
Originally posted by the silurian Ohh someones getting rattled!! Maybe, but not me. A poster made a claim he is unable to back up. That's disingenuous at best. The only support from elsewhere being some spurious idea that never mind whether any of it is actually true and written into the treaties it is going to all happen by default anyway if we stay in the EU. Which is about as daft a concept as you can get. The UK is a sovereign state and as the EU requires total unanimity on every important issue we have the complete authority to reject any proposal which doesn't suit us. So none of the suggested things are going to happen unless our Parliament agrees to them and they won't. Unless it becomes the, very unlikely, case that it is in our own interests to do so. It won't happen by default. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 11.52am

Originally posted by the silurian

Ohh someones getting rattled!!

Maybe, but not me.

A poster made a claim he is unable to back up.

That's disingenuous at best.

The only support from elsewhere being some spurious idea that never mind whether any of it is actually true and written into the treaties it is going to all happen by default anyway if we stay in the EU.

Which is about as daft a concept as you can get. The UK is a sovereign state and as the EU requires total unanimity on every important issue we have the complete authority to reject any proposal which doesn't suit us.

So none of the suggested things are going to happen unless our Parliament agrees to them and they won't. Unless it becomes the, very unlikely, case that it is
in our own interests to do so. It won't happen by default.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 11.59am
Originally posted by susmik I do not claim to an expert but I do claim to be able to read even if you cannot or will not. Also I do not need to prove anything to a person like you that is so argumentative and really such an unintelligent human being. I am not alone in my opinion of you as many other people on this thread and other threads have mentioned !! You cannot prove it can you? Your constant avoidance proves you cannot. Whether I am argumentative, or not, isn't the issue. It's whether you, having "read the whole treaty" can identify for everyone who hasn't, like me, and only read the summaries, where it specifies the changes that you claim will happen. Now either stop digging your hole and climb the ladder I have put in for you or admit you are unable to do so. It's up to you to prove your claim, and not up to me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 11.59am

Originally posted by susmik

You cannot prove it can you? Your constant avoidance proves you cannot. Whether I am argumentative, or not, isn't the issue. It's whether you, having "read the whole treaty" can identify for everyone who hasn't, like me, and only read the summaries, where it specifies the changes that you claim will happen.

Now either stop digging your hole and climb the ladder I have put in for you or admit you are unable to do so.

It's up to you to prove your claim, and not up to me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 12.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You cannot prove it can you? Your constant avoidance proves you cannot. Whether I am argumentative, or not, isn't the issue. It's whether you, having "read the whole treaty" can identify for everyone who hasn't, like me, and only read the summaries, where it specifies the changes that you claim will happen. Now either stop digging your hole and climb the ladder I have put in for you or admit you are unable to do so. It's up to you to prove your claim, and not up to me. It seems that Stirlingsays has got it ...why cannot you????? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 12.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Now either stop digging your hole and climb the ladder I have put in for you or admit you are unable to do so.

It's up to you to prove your claim, and not up to me.

It seems that Stirlingsays has got it ...why cannot you?????

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 12.31pm
Originally posted by susmik It seems that Stirlingsays has got it ...why cannot you????? No he hasn't! Even he is not suggesting that the Lisbon Treaty provides for the things you suggest. He is saying that if we stay in the EU then eventually those things would all come to pass anyway, whatever the Treaties say. Which is a very different argument. Equally as wrong by the way but still different. So sorry, but it seems you are alone on this. Now let's have the references as to where in the Lisbon Treaty, that you have read in it's entirety, does it state the things you claim it says. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by susmik

It seems that Stirlingsays has got it ...why cannot you?????

No he hasn't!

Even he is not suggesting that the Lisbon Treaty provides for the things you suggest.

He is saying that if we stay in the EU then eventually those things would all come to pass anyway, whatever the Treaties say.

Which is a very different argument. Equally as wrong by the way but still different.

So sorry, but it seems you are alone on this.

Now let's have the references as to where in the Lisbon Treaty, that you have read in it's entirety, does it state the things you claim it says.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 15 Sep 19 12.41pm
How is it wrong? The result of EU treaties has seen the gradual transfer of sovereignty. Staying in the EU would only see this increase. Unless we leave, this can't be reversed short of violent revolution. Stop lying to people. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Sep 19 12.41pm

How is it wrong?

The result of EU treaties has seen the gradual transfer of sovereignty. Staying in the EU would only see this increase.

Unless we leave, this can't be reversed short of violent revolution.

Stop lying to people.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 12.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How is it wrong? The result of EU treaties has seen the gradual transfer of sovereignty. Staying in the EU would only see this increase. Unless we leave, this can't be reversed short of violent revolution. Stop lying to people. Its no good trying to reason with this overage schoolboy Stirling . He only sees things his way and all of our points of views etc are beyond his understanding or comprehension. We are flogging a dead horse in his case. I shall not respond to his childish un educational posts anymore no matter what he comes up with. He is totally wasted space I am afraid. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Sep 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How is it wrong?

The result of EU treaties has seen the gradual transfer of sovereignty. Staying in the EU would only see this increase.

Unless we leave, this can't be reversed short of violent revolution.

Stop lying to people.

Its no good trying to reason with this overage schoolboy Stirling . He only sees things his way and all of our points of views etc are beyond his understanding or comprehension. We are flogging a dead horse in his case. I shall not respond to his childish un educational posts anymore no matter what he comes up with. He is totally wasted space I am afraid.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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SpyroCrystal 15 Sep 19 1.06pm
Civil disobedience if the powers that be betray Brexit. Big up the Palace!!!!
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SpyroCrystal 15 Sep 19 1.06pm

Civil disobedience if the powers that be betray Brexit.

Big up the Palace!!!!

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Stirlingsays 15 Sep 19 1.16pm
Originally posted by susmik Its no good trying to reason with this overage schoolboy Stirling . He only sees things his way and all of our points of views etc are beyond his understanding or comprehension. We are flogging a dead horse in his case. I shall not respond to his childish un educational posts anymore no matter what he comes up with. He is totally wasted space I am afraid. You are of course correct.....it's a waste of time debating with him as he's fundamentally dishonest. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Sep 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by susmik

You are of course correct.....it's a waste of time debating with him as he's fundamentally dishonest.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 15 Sep 19 1.17pm
Originally posted by SpyroCrystal Civil disobedience if the powers that be betray Brexit. Indeed, if we don't actually leave, I think protests against this break with democracy are valid. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 1.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Sep 19 1.17pm

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Civil disobedience if the powers that be betray Brexit.

Indeed, if we don't actually leave, I think protests against this break with democracy are valid.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 1.19pm)

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silvertop Portishead 15 Sep 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Stop posting shyte. You can count the number of hard right people on here on one hand and still have fingers left over but rubbishing those with opposite views has been a tactic of remainers since day one Pot Kettle
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Portishead 15 Sep 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Stop posting shyte. You can count the number of hard right people on here on one hand and still have fingers left over but rubbishing those with opposite views has been a tactic of remainers since day one

Pot

Kettle

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nickyf 15 Sep 19 1.48pm
People are trying to make us forget but here is a reminder of what we were told. Mr Cameron said in his 2015 speech: “You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future. “It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave. “Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’. Not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide. Edited by nickyf (15 Sep 2019 1.49pm) Edited by nickyf (15 Sep 2019 1.49pm)
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nickyf 15 Sep 19 1.48pm

People are trying to make us forget but here is a reminder of what we were told.

Mr Cameron said in his 2015 speech: “You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future.
“It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave.
“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’. Not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

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Edited by nickyf (15 Sep 2019 1.49pm)

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