Well you didn't properly engage or actually read both my posts. You read: I am a remainer BLAH BLAH BLAH only solution BLAH BLAH BLAH another referendum.

In essence that is what I said. But only because I struggle to think of another way to resolve this and allow the govermment to govern.

You have probably said so in this rather long thread in amongst the cantankerous bilious insults but what workable solution do you propose? Give me your thoughts and perhaps we can discuss this intelligently as I am capable of persuasion.

Hint; we won in 2016 get over it is not a workable way out of this an nor is just leave without a deal as it will be impossible to get that past parliament.

I'm listening...

It’s true that all of those things listed are stated in the Lisbon Treaty, and we’re powerless to resist? Get real.

From the Garden of Eden (The EU) to being acquired by Trump.

You make it sound like Labour Remainers have no will of their own.
They are blocking an election, blocking no deal, will block any deal and reject a second Referendum win for Leave.
In short, the problem is Labour Remainers and they must be taken out of the equation so we can realise Brexit.

Yes we voted to leave in 2016 and nothing has changed. The people have spoken and Parliament must deliver no matter what.

Well I didn't mention the Lisbon Treaty.....As far as I'm concerned each treaty since Maastricht has seen unacceptable sovereign powers given away to foreign bodies without the mandate of the public.

The relevant point is that everything there certainly will happen if we don't leave.....What difference does it make which treaty includes what?

Like arguing over which log goes into the fire first.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The 2016 'remain' campaign made huge and inaccurate predictions about what would happen to the economy if we voted leave....in plenty of cases directly after the vote.

Yet, the economy has actually improved since that vote....wages went up.....those so called 'experts' are examples of much of what we know about 'predictions'....that experts are often little better than fifty fifty.

So I'm going to predict....probably with the same level of chance.

While I personally believe that there will be a cost to leaving I'm confident that long term it's the better economic position.....because I have about as much faith in the EU as I have in most left wing institutions run by the continent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2019 9.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)