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BlueJay Flag UK 03 May 22 12.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What no one is saying here is that our assisting Ukraine prolongs the fighting, potentially causing more deaths, but at the same time keeps Putin busy while we get more prepared for what he might do next.
The West might not be having a great time, but it can out produce Russia for weapon. Clearly, this risks escalation but at the same time sends a message to Putin in a language he understands

Showing weakness is not an option here, but equally, the price we might pay for standing up to Putin might be more costly than letting him regain a bit of the USSR. The question is where he would stop or where we draw a line in the sand.
It would be foolish to let Putin think that he might get away with invading a NATO country, but putting him in a desperate situation might be equally unwise. He needs to have an out or at least a negotiable situation, because when all is said and done, there has to be a future for relations between Putin and the West or who ever ultimately replaces him.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 May 2022 11.26am)

I did highlight that somewhere. As both a stalling tactic and one to diminish and dissuade their military aims it's certainly a necessity in my view. If we do what some want and don't arm Ukraine at all, it won't be long before there simply is no Ukraine in practical terms. There is then no rowing that back. Emboldening Putin to that level would be disastrous and we know it wouldn't end there.

There certainly needs to be a road to peace, but ultimately Russia hold the biggest role in that happening. So far their outlook via the foreign minister has essentially been a demand to stop arming Ukraine, let them get on with it and that as result there will eventually be no war (when they have achieved their aims). That's clearly an absurd stance, and I don't think we're going to hear anything different until their progress becomes so glacial that they have little option but to cut their loses while attempting to carve out something that can be called a victory at home.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 May 22 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

When this happens hopefully Biden will only be given a script to read to the public and no other involvement.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 May 22 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

EU energy commissioner says the bloc can replace 2/3 of Russian natural gas supplies by the end of the year: 1/3 from alternative suppliers but 1/3 "has to be replaced by renewables.

That doesn't sound realistic to me.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 May 22 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

EU energy commissioner says the bloc can replace 2/3 of Russian natural gas supplies by the end of the year: 1/3 from alternative suppliers but 1/3 "has to be replaced by renewables.

That doesn't sound realistic to me.

Apparently a load of wind energy in the US will be the catalyst for this through their exports to Europe. Meanwhile China’s imports of Russian energy has increased by 60%.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 03 May 22 4.17pm

Embarrassing that energy independence is taking this long anyway. We are in part paying the price of archaic ways and the politics behind on it. Being held to ransom over something so fundamental is a situation that countries should endevour to move beyond. The time scale is far from ideal, but that's what happens when politicians are reactive rather than provocative.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 May 22 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

EU energy commissioner says the bloc can replace 2/3 of Russian natural gas supplies by the end of the year: 1/3 from alternative suppliers but 1/3 "has to be replaced by renewables.

That doesn't sound realistic to me.

Don't you just love made up statistics ? And they'll still be buying Russian gas, so it's all pointless anyway.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 May 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Ukrainian villages haunted by the vanished - [Link]

Desperately sad.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 03 May 22 6.51pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Desperately sad.

Without a doubt. I really can't blame people for deciding to get out. Plunged into unnecessary hell.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 03 May 22 7.11pm

Russia Doubles Down, Says Israel 'Supports neo-Nazi Regime in Ukraine' - [Link]

How to win friends and influence people

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 May 22 7.37pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Russia Doubles Down, Says Israel 'Supports neo-Nazi Regime in Ukraine' - [Link]

How to win friends and influence people

They are also going to nuke the Nazi base on the Moon and melt the Polar ice caps to reveal those secret Nazi bases. Who'd have thought that Nazis were running the world this entire time? Thanks Putin and Russian state media for opening my eyes.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 03 May 22 8.06pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They are also going to nuke the Nazi base on the Moon and melt the Polar ice caps to reveal those secret Nazi bases. Who'd have thought that Nazis were running the world this entire time? Thanks Putin and Russian state media for opening my eyes.

Apart from W12 you mean?

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 May 22 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

What a strange decade

 


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