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 Badger11  Beckenham 04 Jan 20 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Dublin is great for the craic, but I really wouldn't want to live there. About 5 years after I left I went to Dublin to help them out for 8 months turned out they didn't have a clue how to do my job or many of the others in my department. The staff were on about 1/2 to 3/4 of the salary that we were in London yet the cost of living seemed a lot higher. They were mostly young people who partied all the time I have no idea how they could afford that on those salaries.
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| chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 20 6.27pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
About 5 years after I left I went to Dublin to help them out for 8 months turned out they didn't have a clue how to do my job or many of the others in my department. The staff were on about 1/2 to 3/4 of the salary that we were in London yet the cost of living seemed a lot higher. They were mostly young people who partied all the time I have no idea how they could afford that on those salaries. Dublin is expensive though.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 20 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The constituencies that had Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubrey and Chuka Umunna as MPs didn't appear to admire their principles as they were booted out at the first opportunity That fact makes me very sad because all of them are people of principle who put the national interests before their own personal ones. That you and some of the others here disagree with their perception of what was in the national interests doesn't change that. This, and the threats of deselection for others, is not a sign of a healthy democracy. Why their constituents didn't stand by them is something I suspect we would disagree about. I would like to see the media supporting people of principal and encouraging the electorate to support them. Instead they just kicked them, sometimes in the most vile and ridiculous ways.
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Teddy Eagle  04 Jan 20 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That fact makes me very sad because all of them are people of principle who put the national interests before their own personal ones. That you and some of the others here disagree with their perception of what was in the national interests doesn't change that. This, and the threats of deselection for others, is not a sign of a healthy democracy. Why their constituents didn't stand by them is something I suspect we would disagree about. I would like to see the media supporting people of principal and encouraging the electorate to support them. Instead they just kicked them, sometimes in the most vile and ridiculous ways. And while we’re about it why not scrap elections altogether? Just keep the “principled” MPs forever and never question what they say and do. If the electorate voting out MPs in whom they have no confidence isn’t a sign of a healthy democracy then what is?
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Jan 20 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That fact makes me very sad because all of them are people of principle who put the national interests before their own personal ones. That you and some of the others here disagree with their perception of what was in the national interests doesn't change that. This, and the threats of deselection for others, is not a sign of a healthy democracy. Why their constituents didn't stand by them is something I suspect we would disagree about. I would like to see the media supporting people of principal and encouraging the electorate to support them. Instead they just kicked them, sometimes in the most vile and ridiculous ways. Who were the principalled people who got voted out.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jan 20 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That fact makes me very sad because all of them are people of principle who put the national interests before their own personal ones. That you and some of the others here disagree with their perception of what was in the national interests doesn't change that. This, and the threats of deselection for others, is not a sign of a healthy democracy. Why their constituents didn't stand by them is something I suspect we would disagree about. I would like to see the media supporting people of principal and encouraging the electorate to support them. Instead they just kicked them, sometimes in the most vile and ridiculous ways. Ken Clark was a man of principle who made it clear before during and after the referendum / 2017 GE how he intended to vote. I have no issue with that as the voters knew what they were getting. Many of the ones you named said one thing to the voters and then did another that is why they lost the public's support. This was not unforeseen and by the 2017 GE they knew where they stood they chose to dissemble to their public. If Parliament has a vote on going to war with Iran I would be fine with MPs making a personal decision and even voting against their party whip. The recent GE was not about Iran so MPs should vote with their conscience. That was not the case with Brexit where their parties had a position which they choose to ignore once they were safely re-elected.
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| chris123 hove actually 04 Jan 20 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And while we’re about it why not scrap elections altogether? Just keep the “principled” MPs forever and never question what they say and do. If the electorate voting out MPs in whom they have no confidence isn’t a sign of a healthy democracy then what is? Principled, but only if I agree, forget majorities!!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 20 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And while we’re about it why not scrap elections altogether? Just keep the “principled” MPs forever and never question what they say and do. If the electorate voting out MPs in whom they have no confidence isn’t a sign of a healthy democracy then what is? It's not that their electorate decided to vote them out that disturbs me. That's their right and indeed their duty. It's why they did and how they reached that decision. For me it's yet more evidence of malign influences at work, especially in the right wing press. In addition it shows the increasing stranglehold of the party system which is turning our MPs into voting machines and policy being handed over to party activists and not in the hands of our elected representatives. It's this I regard as unhealthy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 20 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Who were the principalled people who got voted out. I trust that will be a lesson to others. If you disagree but are too scared to say so but get voted out anyway then the lesson must be to disagree more actively when you have the chance to be effective.
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 robdave2k 04 Jan 20 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That fact makes me very sad because all of them are people of principle who put the national interests before their own personal ones. That you and some of the others here disagree with their perception of what was in the national interests doesn't change that. This, and the threats of deselection for others, is not a sign of a healthy democracy. Why their constituents didn't stand by them is something I suspect we would disagree about. I would like to see the media supporting people of principal and encouraging the electorate to support them. Instead they just kicked them, sometimes in the most vile and ridiculous ways. David Gauke is an arrogant piece of work, responsible for some of the most draconian tax legislation ever introduced. He wasn’t principled then.
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| cryrst The garden of England 04 Jan 20 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I trust that will be a lesson to others. If you disagree but are too scared to say so but get voted out anyway then the lesson must be to disagree more actively when you have the chance to be effective. Not too scared.
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| silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 20 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Unfortunately a comparison with our prosperity in or out cannot be made. I'm pretty sure you can apply economic models to determine whether the country would have been stronger in or out. But you're right. As anyone who has lost a limb will say you just have to get on with it.
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