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Kermit8 Hevon 23 May 17 10.38am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence. I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 May 17 10.38am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.

I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hansy 23 May 17 10.40am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle [Link] Also if you read the manifesto they commit to 2% of GDP on defence spending, renewing trident and providing more support for our armed forces personnel in their daily lives. It's the same level of spending as the Tories but with more practical help to the people in the army etc. who are struggling to make ends meet. Against what Corbyn believes and campaigned about, yet he's their leader. Edited by Hansy (23 May 2017 10.41am)
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23 May 17 10.40am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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Also if you read the manifesto they commit to 2% of GDP on defence spending, renewing trident and providing more support for our armed forces personnel in their daily lives. It's the same level of spending as the Tories but with more practical help to the people in the army etc. who are struggling to make ends meet.

Against what Corbyn believes and campaigned about, yet he's their leader.

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legaleagle 23 May 17 10.40am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence. Arguably, not half as laughable as someone being current Tory PM who actually thinks Brexit could be negative because "we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade". Arguably, not half as laughable as being a PM who said only last July that she would not trigger Article 50 “until I think that we have a U.K. approach and objectives for negotiations”....“I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50.” Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy. Edited by legaleagle (23 May 2017 10.41am)
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23 May 17 10.40am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.

Arguably, not half as laughable as someone being current Tory PM who actually thinks Brexit could be negative because "we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade".

Arguably, not half as laughable as being a PM who said only last July that she would not trigger Article 50 “until I think that we have a U.K. approach and objectives for negotiations”....“I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50.”

Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy.

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Hansy 23 May 17 10.44am
Originally posted by legaleagle Arguably, not half as laughable as someone being current Tory PM who actually thinks Brexit could be negative because "we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade". Arguably, not half as laughable as being a PM who said only last July that she would not trigger Article 50 “until I think that we have a U.K. approach and objectives for negotiations”....“I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50.” Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy. Edited by legaleagle (23 May 2017 10.41am) How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him?
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23 May 17 10.44am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy.

Edited by legaleagle (23 May 2017 10.41am)

How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him?

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 May 17 11.06am
Originally posted by Hansy How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him? Which new laws do you think his party would try and block? Surely not anything linked to manifesto commitments? Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 May 17 11.06am

Originally posted by Hansy

How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him?

Which new laws do you think his party would try and block? Surely not anything linked to manifesto commitments?

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 11.08am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Because the poorer you are the more you spend, so if you're taxing mainly goods, it's more as a percentage of income the state is taking the less you earn. You'll end up with CEO's paying 10% tax, having more savings and bigger property portfolios to rent out to plebs. That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people. That is a fact of life. Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me. Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world.
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23 May 17 11.08am

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because the poorer you are the more you spend, so if you're taxing mainly goods, it's more as a percentage of income the state is taking the less you earn. You'll end up with CEO's paying 10% tax, having more savings and bigger property portfolios to rent out to plebs.

That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people.
That is a fact of life.

Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world.

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Hansy 23 May 17 11.09am
Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised.
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23 May 17 11.09am

Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 11.15am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her. I never voted for Thatcher in any election. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 23 May 17 11.15am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her.

I never voted for Thatcher in any election.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 11.16am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people. That is a fact of life. Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me. Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world. A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair. Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.
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Sydenham 23 May 17 11.16am

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people.
That is a fact of life.

Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world.

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

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Hansy 23 May 17 11.18am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair. Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy. Those in poorer circumstances will see the benefits of the Tax allowance a lot more though. But yeah, I agree it is an appalling system none are going for.
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Hansy

23 May 17 11.18am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

Those in poorer circumstances will see the benefits of the Tax allowance a lot more though. But yeah, I agree it is an appalling system none are going for.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 11.19am
Originally posted by Hansy Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised. Their manifesto covers laws that would be converted from EU law into UK law i.e. ones that parliament deem to be most worthy, principally those that protect workers' rights and the environment, which the Tories would scrap. I see no evidence that, if Labour win, their MPs won't back such legislation. They only don't like Corbyn as they don't think he can win. If he does win I would imagine many would be keen to get down to the job of governing.
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Sydenham 23 May 17 11.19am

Originally posted by Hansy

Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised.

Their manifesto covers laws that would be converted from EU law into UK law i.e. ones that parliament deem to be most worthy, principally those that protect workers' rights and the environment, which the Tories would scrap.

I see no evidence that, if Labour win, their MPs won't back such legislation. They only don't like Corbyn as they don't think he can win. If he does win I would imagine many would be keen to get down to the job of governing.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 11.19am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair. Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy. It is already here with 20% VAT [VAT of course being something that membership of the EEC (EU) insisted upon] We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 23 May 17 11.19am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

It is already here with 20% VAT [VAT of course being something that membership of the EEC (EU) insisted upon]

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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